New 2018 Hawk Prep - Page 2

nickdowny · 05-12-2018, 11:15 AM

What shock did you order?

Dadbeck77 · 05-12-2018, 12:33 PM

I want to change mine also.

kirkallen143 · 05-14-2018, 10:00 AM

If the link works, this is the one I ordered:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11-280mm-Re...53.m2749.l2649

nickdowny · 05-15-2018, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirkallen143

If the link works, this is the one I ordered:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11-280mm-Re...53.m2749.l2649

Let me know when you have it installed if theirs any issue's may have to order one next. The link works by the way.

dpl096 · 06-16-2018, 09:26 PM

Good looking bike...I like the blue.

kirkallen143 · 07-25-2018, 12:21 PM

Been awhile, work and life have kept me away from the computer...

Update on the shock: bought the 280mm one from ebay. First off, it did not come with a Schrader valve, only a cap of some sort (which I found out after install was loose, so no nitrogen...can you say pogo stick?). I tried it anyway, and I believe the shock is too short. The rear tire would bottom out on the air box. Maybe if the shock was filled with nitrogen it might not have, but I do not know? It sure was nice to flat foot the bike with that shock, though.

Emailed the seller and asked why no valve when it shows it in the pics on ebay? They say oops and we'll refund you $5. I say, just give me a Schrader valve from another shock and call it good. They say no got Schrader valve...

I blew them off, it has been well over 60 days since I bought the shock, and I ended up stripping the threads on the pre-load adjusting nut...Son-of-a-Bi*ch! I'll write that off as a life lesson.

Going to look at a 300mm shock for the next one, and make sure the seller is selling what is pictured on ebay. I believe it will be a good compromise.

Other than that, the bike starts when you want and idles like it should...on the stand. Oh, one more thing, watch those battery terminals! Mine had corrosion all over them.

Kirk

Digger · 07-25-2018, 07:33 PM

Good looking Hawk. The .018 size on the pilot jet, are you happy with that size?
Thanks

Redbookaudio · 07-27-2018, 08:28 AM

Kirk... very impressive Hawk setup! 12 miles? (probably actually only 8 or 9 miles if your odometer works like mine....) At any rate, it sounds like you have more fun working on the bike than actually riding it!

Hit the trail already!! (I'm probably just jealous of how WELL you've done your research and put your bike together.... congrats!)

kirkallen143 · 07-29-2018, 05:58 PM

Thanks all for the compliments!

Digger, the 0.018" drilled jet seams to work good so far at sea level on the stock carb. and fuel mixture screw out 2 1/4 turns.

I think I am up to 80 kilometers now on the odometer...I'll get it broke in one of these days.

Now on to the shock...I ordered a 295mm one off ebay with the Schrader valve this time. They did not offer too many 300mm shocks, so settled for this. With me at 225lbs, the 280mm shock was too short and would bottom the rear tire into the air box on medium bumps (the lack of nitrogen in the shock could of have an effect, too).
I made sure and contacted the seller and asked them if it had one. This shock has a 1200lb spring with a dampening adjuster on the bottom, and how much nitrogen you want to charge it with (150psi is usually the max for most). Hopefully it will be here Friday and I will let y'all now the outcome.

Kirk

kirkallen143 · 07-29-2018, 06:13 PM

Oh, almost forgot!

I changed out the fork oil and went with 7.5oz of 15W Belray in each leg and added 1" more of preload...LIKE DRIVING A CADALLAC! Not really, but it is 10 times better than what it was.

Hawk 229cc, the seat cover is from Walmart in the ATV section, ordered it online @ $20.

Kirk

Digger · 07-29-2018, 08:18 PM

Thanks Kirk!

Redbookaudio · 07-30-2018, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirkallen143

Oh, almost forgot!

I changed out the fork oil and went with 7.5oz of 15W Belray in each leg and added 1" more of preload...LIKE DRIVING A CADALLAC! Not really, but it is 10 times better than what it was.

Hawk 229cc, the seat cover is from Walmart in the ATV section, ordered it online @ $20.

Kirk

Kirk we were thinking about changing the fork oil (although everything seems good with the original....but as newbies, we don't have anything to compare it to). I've seen videos about changing the fork oil, but what do you mean by "added 1" more of preload?" How do we do that? And is it important (my daughter, who rides it the bike the most, only weighs 120 lbs)? Thanks for any insight you can give to us!

kirkallen143 · 07-31-2018, 09:34 AM

RBA,

The preload spacer is just what it says, I added an extra 1" to the existing spacer that is inside each fork tube to "preload" the spring for my extra weight. Now it does not sag as much in the front. It sits on top of the spring when you take off the fork/tube nut, and is just basically a metal pipe (although SCH40 PVC can be used, also).

With your daughter, I do not believe she will need the extra preload for her weight, but some better fork oil, say 3W or 10W, and that makes a world of difference. Drain the original out, and you will have to play with how much you put in each fork leg, but start at @ 6-7oz and see how she likes it. The more oil you add, the more dampening you get, the thicker the oil, the slower the dampening will be. Once the forks are back on the bike, to add more I use a 10ml syringe, and if too much, I use some fish tank air hose on the end of the syringe to suck it out.

Kirk

Redbookaudio · 07-31-2018, 06:34 PM

ChrisWNY,
Thanks for pointing me to MeganDans video. That seems simple enough!

kirkallen143 · 08-04-2018, 10:07 AM

Well the story continues...

Got the new shock in, 295mm long and has a Schrader valve this time, ALL RIGHT! So, let's go and set the preload on the spring. Put the top of shock and tighten it in the vise, get the spanner wrench and proceed to adjust the nut and... WTF?!! The whole rest of the shock assembly is turning while I am trying to adjust the nut. I think to myself,"GREAT...another quality control issue that china forgot about, and now I have another broken shock." Come to find out, the head/top unit of this shock threads onto the main body section where the preload nut adjusts. I have only delt with shocks milled as one piece unit before. It has one o-ring (maybe 1/8" thick) that seals it up, inside of the head/top unit.

My question is, how many psi of nitrogen should I tell them to add when I get this shock filled? Will it hold 150psi with only one o-ring to seal it? That's the norm or max usually that I hear for shocks. I guess you want at least 100psi? Might start there...hell I'll ask the guys at the Honda shop and see what they think. I'll keep ya updated...

Kirk

05-12-2018, 12:33 PM	#2
Dadbeck77 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Oregon, veneta Posts: 15	I want to change mine also. __________________ 2017 Hawk Mods: Rear sprocket 50T, Bar guards, LED head and tail light, led turn signals, Wind screen, Shortened chain, reversed front sprocket, Opened air box, Fiber glassed pipe, Removed baffle off exhaust, 12v cigarette plug, MSR shifter, Rear rack, Storage tube, Tilted gauges up, Ram mount, GPS mount, Saddlebags, Tank bag, Moved old tool box to behind windscreen, mount for gopro remote, cargo net.
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06-16-2018, 09:26 PM	#5
dpl096 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: East Central Hellinois Posts: 1,344	Good looking bike...I like the blue. __________________ ************************************************ * " Time you enjoy wasting, is not wasted." - John Lennon “I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” ― Thomas Jefferson "If you don't know where you're going any road will take you there" ....George Harrison song
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07-27-2018, 08:28 AM	#8
Redbookaudio Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 40	Kirk... very impressive Hawk setup! 12 miles? (probably actually only 8 or 9 miles if your odometer works like mine....) At any rate, it sounds like you have more fun working on the bike than actually riding it! Hit the trail already!! (I'm probably just jealous of how WELL you've done your research and put your bike together.... congrats!) __________________ Hawk 250
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07-31-2018, 06:34 PM	#14
Redbookaudio Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 40	ChrisWNY, Thanks for pointing me to MeganDans video. That seems simple enough! __________________ Hawk 250
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05-12-2018, 11:15 AM	#1
nickdowny Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Portland OR Posts: 33	What shock did you order?
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05-14-2018, 10:00 AM	#3
kirkallen143 Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 84	If the link works, this is the one I ordered: https://www.ebay.com/itm/11-280mm-Re...53.m2749.l2649
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07-25-2018, 12:21 PM	#6
kirkallen143 Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 84	Been awhile, work and life have kept me away from the computer... Update on the shock: bought the 280mm one from ebay. First off, it did not come with a Schrader valve, only a cap of some sort (which I found out after install was loose, so no nitrogen...can you say pogo stick?). I tried it anyway, and I believe the shock is too short. The rear tire would bottom out on the air box. Maybe if the shock was filled with nitrogen it might not have, but I do not know? It sure was nice to flat foot the bike with that shock, though. Emailed the seller and asked why no valve when it shows it in the pics on ebay? They say oops and we'll refund you $5. I say, just give me a Schrader valve from another shock and call it good. They say no got Schrader valve... I blew them off, it has been well over 60 days since I bought the shock, and I ended up stripping the threads on the pre-load adjusting nut...Son-of-a-Bi*ch! I'll write that off as a life lesson. Going to look at a 300mm shock for the next one, and make sure the seller is selling what is pictured on ebay. I believe it will be a good compromise. Other than that, the bike starts when you want and idles like it should...on the stand. Oh, one more thing, watch those battery terminals! Mine had corrosion all over them. Kirk
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07-25-2018, 07:33 PM	#7
Digger Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 64	Good looking Hawk. The .018 size on the pilot jet, are you happy with that size? Thanks
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07-29-2018, 05:58 PM	#9
kirkallen143 Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 84	Thanks all for the compliments! Digger, the 0.018" drilled jet seams to work good so far at sea level on the stock carb. and fuel mixture screw out 2 1/4 turns. I think I am up to 80 kilometers now on the odometer...I'll get it broke in one of these days. Now on to the shock...I ordered a 295mm one off ebay with the Schrader valve this time. They did not offer too many 300mm shocks, so settled for this. With me at 225lbs, the 280mm shock was too short and would bottom the rear tire into the air box on medium bumps (the lack of nitrogen in the shock could of have an effect, too). I made sure and contacted the seller and asked them if it had one. This shock has a 1200lb spring with a dampening adjuster on the bottom, and how much nitrogen you want to charge it with (150psi is usually the max for most). Hopefully it will be here Friday and I will let y'all now the outcome. Kirk
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07-29-2018, 06:13 PM	#10
kirkallen143 Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 84	Oh, almost forgot! I changed out the fork oil and went with 7.5oz of 15W Belray in each leg and added 1" more of preload...LIKE DRIVING A CADALLAC! Not really, but it is 10 times better than what it was. Hawk 229cc, the seat cover is from Walmart in the ATV section, ordered it online @ $20. Kirk
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07-29-2018, 08:18 PM	#11
Digger Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 64	Thanks Kirk!
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07-31-2018, 09:34 AM	#13
kirkallen143 Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 84	RBA, The preload spacer is just what it says, I added an extra 1" to the existing spacer that is inside each fork tube to "preload" the spring for my extra weight. Now it does not sag as much in the front. It sits on top of the spring when you take off the fork/tube nut, and is just basically a metal pipe (although SCH40 PVC can be used, also). With your daughter, I do not believe she will need the extra preload for her weight, but some better fork oil, say 3W or 10W, and that makes a world of difference. Drain the original out, and you will have to play with how much you put in each fork leg, but start at @ 6-7oz and see how she likes it. The more oil you add, the more dampening you get, the thicker the oil, the slower the dampening will be. Once the forks are back on the bike, to add more I use a 10ml syringe, and if too much, I use some fish tank air hose on the end of the syringe to suck it out. Kirk
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08-04-2018, 10:07 AM	#15
kirkallen143 Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 84	Well the story continues... Got the new shock in, 295mm long and has a Schrader valve this time, ALL RIGHT! So, let's go and set the preload on the spring. Put the top of shock and tighten it in the vise, get the spanner wrench and proceed to adjust the nut and... WTF?!! The whole rest of the shock assembly is turning while I am trying to adjust the nut. I think to myself,"GREAT...another quality control issue that china forgot about, and now I have another broken shock." Come to find out, the head/top unit of this shock threads onto the main body section where the preload nut adjusts. I have only delt with shocks milled as one piece unit before. It has one o-ring (maybe 1/8" thick) that seals it up, inside of the head/top unit. My question is, how many psi of nitrogen should I tell them to add when I get this shock filled? Will it hold 150psi with only one o-ring to seal it? That's the norm or max usually that I hear for shocks. I guess you want at least 100psi? Might start there...hell I'll ask the guys at the Honda shop and see what they think. I'll keep ya updated... Kirk
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