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02-27-2022, 10:34 AM | #18 |
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Failures of anything electronic does happen and in the event of an EFI failure you are up the creek without a paddle. Now if a $25 carb could be rigged up to get you going it would be good, however it seems to me that an EFI failure leaves you without ignition spark anyhow so then the carb is of little use. Hawk may use a Delphi unit but Lifan does not and I have not seen any of these units from my X-pect advertised anywhere. I have not had any problems with the X-pect to date but am trying to look forward to if such a failure should occur.
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Here this link is the video in that thread. Open it on youtube and in his video description it has a link to every part you will need to build the connector and also I believe he has the link to the free software in the description of the video as well. Either way the free software link is in the thread as well.
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02-27-2022, 05:29 PM | #21 |
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Cool stuff for sure.. Im eagerly awaiting to hear someone successfully tuning the Hawk ECU to optimize performance after intake/exhaust work.. whoever makes that happen will have a very nice side business on this forum im certain. Then the other EFI guys will be chasing that as well, ie.. RX3 and RX4 crowd
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02-27-2022, 08:01 PM | #22 |
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Thanks for all the responses! It's good to hear the ECU is a common device although it's probably soldered in and would need replacing at the board level. If there has never been a problem with EFI it's doubtful anyone has ever ordered one for a spare or to replace a failed one. That would kinda spook me but its something I would sort out before it had to be done. My search on ebay returned unbranded mikuni replacements for between $60-$30 which begs the question why in the hell this is not OEM on these bikes?
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02-27-2022, 08:45 PM | #23 |
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My only input is to look back on the post history on this forum. Ever since the DLX got released there has been a post probably once a week about an issue with them.
I personally will MAYBE lean towards buying an EFI model maybe in a couple years, but for me, right now, parts availability is scary. Also the lack of a true manual is a put off. |
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02-27-2022, 09:32 PM | #24 |
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Simple, but a carburetor is also easy to jet to my standards, not a CARB (California Air Resources Board) requirement or EPA standard. If an EFI starts right up, runs OK at any altitude, but runs lean all the time, I might not want that. This is why performance riders (racing) don't use EFI without full control of the enrichment curve (which these bikes don't have). The convenience of EFI is nice, but not for everybody. Especially those that understand how to jet a carb for performance
Even a cheap PZ30 can be jet to higher performance than stock EFI on these bikes. No exotic electronic intervention required. EFI is fine for some people. Carb works for others. There are real +/- for both. Most racers use carbs, but not for the convenience. It is because of the performance. Top carbs like the Lectron are one example. Last edited by Thumper; 02-27-2022 at 10:04 PM. |
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02-27-2022, 11:41 PM | #25 |
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I'm an old man on a dirt bike there's no way I'm wandering off further than the local lake( about 30 miles ) lol
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02-27-2022, 11:46 PM | #26 |
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what carb bike has a fuel pump ? And do you know why ? Not trying to be a smart ass. Just curious.
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02-28-2022, 12:09 AM | #27 |
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has he checked out cscmotorcycles.com? In retrospect I wish I had bought from them. The TT250 is counterbalanced. And they are actually helpful. I would not recommend buying from any of the north texas dealers(all the same company)
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02-28-2022, 06:51 AM | #28 |
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Ok but my point being you already had to fix the carb by rejetting, it's not setup correctly from the factory, it won't be setup correctly if you drive it at 100 degrees F in the summer and then drive it at 40 degrees in the winter because it has no barometer compensation. My altitude example was just one of the ways of explaining that.
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02-28-2022, 08:18 AM | #29 |
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Self correction/adjustment is definitely a convenient feature of EFI systems. And yes, it is true that the entire process is manual with a vacuum driven system (carburetion). Both systems work fine, and the carburetor demands more attention. Altitude and temperature affect air/gas mixture. If you understand your carb and have spare jets, it isn't difficult to make adjustments. This whole argument is inflated.
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02-28-2022, 11:34 AM | #30 |
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Exactly.
I've heard two arguments against EFI
BTW, I haven't heard anyone come out and say that they removed the cat on a DLX and their EFI didn't handle it properly. Has anyone with a DLX done this?
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