05-08-2020, 01:04 PM | #1 |
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Kayo T4 goes to 11
Well, the Kayo dirt bikes are finally released, and it appears that the mid-range dual-sport, the T4, has a 6-speed transmission. From what I understand and has been discussed here before, Kayo is, or might be, the OEM for some of Pitster Pro's bikes, so these should be the 'real deal' as far as high quality and very uncomfortable seats go It will only be a matter of time before someone gets one, joins us, discusses it a bit, and then disappears, like our Pitster XTR 250 members
https://www.ridekayo.com/t4-250
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05-08-2020, 01:28 PM | #2 |
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They must be smoking something with those prices. GPX was selling for cheaper, with better specced stuff. Just the XTR 250 (which I'm pretty sure is the Kayo T4) is $400 cheaper. The FSE250E (which I think is made by another company IIRC), which is specced with better components than the T4, which it would compete with, is the same price! It's also based out of Carrolton, TX, which is in the DFW metroplex, so I wonder if Manny is involved.
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05-08-2020, 02:07 PM | #4 |
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I checked TXPowersports, and there are no listings for Kayo products, which is a good thing! I started the thread to show that there is now a 6-speed enduro/dual-sport available. As far as MSRP goes, I am guessing one would be able to get them less than the listed price. However, Turbopowersports in So. Cal. has the K6-R advertised at the MSRP price. I would prefer Pitster's FSE250E in that class of bike because it comes with all the street-legal stuff on it since I live in AZ and it would be easy to register here. As far as the Pitster XTR vs. the Kayo T4, I am fairly certain I would stick with the tried and true Pitster, but do admit I am intrigued by the 6-speed in the Kayo. There are a couple of Kayo videos from Nepal, which added to my interest, LOL, but could not find much from western countries.
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05-09-2020, 02:42 AM | #5 |
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I'd be inclined to agree with you, except for the bottom bucket, outdated components Honda is using on them. The suspension, for example, was outdated when they released those bikes in '03, and it hasn't been updated/improved. If they're using Fastace/SCZ suspension, it's a huge step up from what's on offer from Honda.
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05-09-2020, 04:30 AM | #6 |
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What you get from Honda would be the build quality. I do agree that the CRF230 is a budget bike with budget parts, but they are well built budget parts on a bike with such a long history that parts are cheap and plentiful. The downside is, the 230 also does not come as a dual sport.
In my opinion, if you are heart set on getting a Honda, you may as well get the next step up for only another $700, which would be a CRF250L. You get proper suspension, a few more horsepower, efi, etc. on a properly street legal dual sport. Sure, that's a big price jump over the Kayo as listed above, but no offense, it's worth it if a proper dual sport is your thing. That said, if off road shenanigans are more what you are after and could give a fart less about anything else, the Kayo would be a great bike to beat up on in the dirt.
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You are right about one thing, the few people that did buy the XTR sure never did stick around much. Probably out having too much fun. I think, for my money, I would take the Orion RXB-250L over the XTR 250. I've seen how capable that bike is with just a little effort thrown in the suspension setup.
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05-09-2020, 05:04 AM | #8 |
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The XTRs are leftover models, I'm fairly certain. They're transferring the business over to the FSE/TSE stuff. I'm sure the XTRs still have Fastace components, because when they switched to SZC, it was for their FSE/TSE lines. They made the switch because of the unconventional disassembly process for the Fastace forks, which involves unscrewing the lug from the stanchions. The SZC is a step up from what I've heard from those who've had both apart.
I think the Orion (which almost looks like it might be a Kayo) is a step up from the CRF230 in terms of capability, though I'm not sure I'd agree about the 250L; it's more of a lateral step. It does have USD forks, but they're completely non-adjustable, and the bike itself is a bit of a pig. It's definitely reliable, I put over 10k miles on one, but they're ~320lbs wet. I think most of the people riding them stay on the road, the suspension isn't good for much else, even if long travel. |
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Just test drove a Kayo T4 yesterday.....really wanting to love the bike but it's actually now listed as a 230(223cc), does not have the kickstart, is 'down on power' according to the Kayo rep i spoke with due to being CARB/CA compliant, and the biggest kicker for me does NOT have a functioning fuel gauge. :(
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This is the CB motor, right? I wonder if the CRF230 cams, etc....would work in it?
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07-01-2020, 04:43 PM | #14 |
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I'm probably not using the exact terminology but when I spoke to someone at Kayo they specifically said that the T4 was down on power compared to some of the other 230 bikes because they went ahead and just made 1 version that would be legal for California.
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I do recall when these were put on Kayo's website, the T4 was going to have a different engine than the 230cc offroad bike, but I am sure economics came into play. It is a shame that they went this route because this bike might have been able to justify itself as a 'premium' bike in the same class as Pitster/GPX. It is, kinda, but as someone pointed out on another thread, the Orion RXB is a much better deal for a whole lot less than the T4. No kickstart? No way! The old saying 'I wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers' comes to mind, but I wouldn't pursue this bike at its price point. I am still curious, but not too interested if it keeps its 'premium'.
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