CSC SG400's Are Finally In

[Working_ZS]

Received an email from Sara at CSC yesterday letting me know that the SG400's are in and will be shipping soon. I emailed back to confirm all of my Certificate of Origin and shipping info, as well as my color choice. Waiting for a call for credit card info for payment now.

I'm pleasantly surprised that the delay from the original July shipping estimate was only a month, given the current shipping backlogs and manufacturing chaos due to COVID19. It looks like I may be able to get one or two thousand break in miles on the bike before the end of the year, if global warming does its part and keeps things clear here in Ohio into December. We shall see.

[david3921]

If you don't mind, can you tell us the total price you paid including delivery? Also, are you getting any items that CSC is providing such as filters, manuals, CDs, ect. I know that they are known as being great with after purchase support. Thanks.

Oh yeah, we're also going to need to see lots of pictures after delivery.

[Working_ZS]

Originally Posted by david3921

If you don't mind, can you tell us the total price you paid including delivery? Also, are you getting any items that CSC is providing such as filters, manuals, CDs, ect. I know that they are known as being great with after purchase support. Thanks.

Oh yeah, we're also going to need to see lots of pictures after delivery.

Just got my invoice via email, the OTD total, which does not include my state sales tax, is $5445.00 US, which breaks down as follows:

SG400: $4895.00

Doc Fee: $55.00

Assembly/Dealer Prep: $345.00

Shipping $150.00

Waiting on a Tracking Number now; it seems that the SG400's are small enough to be crated and shipped freight instead of by a dedicated motorcycle carrier like HaulBikes, which is what CSC used for my RX4.

Once it gets here, I will be sure to get some pictures and a quick initial impression up for you guys to peruse at your leisure. Hopefully, those of you on the fence will be able to make a decision one way or the other as to whether or not the bike would be a good fit for you. More to come, stay tuned.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Working_ZS

Once it gets here, I will be sure to get some pictures and a quick initial impression up for you guys to peruse at your leisure. Hopefully, those of you on the fence will be able to make a decision one way or the other as to whether or not the bike would be a good fit for you. More to come, stay tuned.

I for one would love any and all information you could provide. I know it's hard for me to find a proper rider analog seeing as I am 6'4, but any picture and opinion you can provide will still help a great deal.

[wheelbender6]

Originally Posted by Working_ZS

Just got my invoice via email, the OTD total, which does not include my state sales tax, is $5445.00 US, which breaks down as follows:

Still a grand or so below the OTD price of Kawasaki Z400 and I am not a fan of the appearance of the naked z400.
I saw a press release that Kawasaki will offer a retro version of the Z600 soon, with a round headlight. Welcome to the party, Kawasaki.

[stewbrash]

Curiosity took me to CSC's site and I got a kick out of the "Sinister Black" color moniker of this:

[wheelbender6]

Originally Posted by stewbrash

Curiosity took me to CSC's site and I got a kick out of the "Sinister Black" color moniker of this:

Deciding between the SG400 and the RX4 is not easy.
The SG suits me better in the long run, but I still would like to be able ride some trails.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by wheelbender6

Deciding between the SG400 and the RX4 is not easy.
The SG suits me better in the long run, but I still would like to be able ride some trails.

You could always toss some Shinko 700's on the SG400 as long as you aren't aiming to do anything super hardcore. The tubless spoke rims are well suited for an "ADV" style bike, and they make the 700 in the exact sizes needed.

I am just waiting until they become available. I am so torn between buying an SG400 and the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. I am waiting to pull the trigger until there is more information out there on the SG400. You would think it would be an easy choice, but each bike has pros and cons that make it almost an even pick in my eyes. All of the delays due to covid are making the wait even worse lol

[krat]

Originally Posted by Megadan

I am just waiting until they become available. I am so torn between buying an SG400 and the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. I am waiting to pull the trigger until there is more information out there on the SG400. You would think it would be an easy choice, but each bike has pros and cons that make it almost an even pick in my eyes. All of the delays due to covid are making the wait even worse lol

That would not even be a blink of the eye decision for me. I have a Himalayan that has served me for three years without a hiccup and if it does hiccup there is a dealer and service department 12 miles down the road from me. Three more dealers within 100 miles.

No guessing about parts numbers or matches, no waiting for weeks on shipping, no frustrations when the wrong part arrives. There is even a trained and certified mechanic to do repairs I can not do.

Plus I have all the parts available from the internet for customizing.

If RE decides to reintroduce a fuel injected 500 Bullet classic I am trading the Himalayan for one. It is just the power difference I am looking for.

[Chazman]

Is this 400 made by the same manufacturer that has been producing RX-3/Zongshen?

[Huck369]

Originally Posted by Chazman

Is this 400 made by the same manufacturer that has been producing RX-3/Zongshen?

Yes, my understanding is it is produced by Zongshen

[XLsior]

There's a few custom RE 650 interceptor modded Scramblers around that look the business.
for example.

Some whispers of RE making their own scrambler based off the Himalayan but I don't think it looks as good. Scram 411.

Not to derail the OP but if the China Bike money is in the same ball park I know where'd i'd be going.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by krat

That would not even be a blink of the eye decision for me. I have a Himalayan that has served me for three years without a hiccup and if it does hiccup there is a dealer and service department 12 miles down the road from me. Three more dealers within 100 miles.

No guessing about parts numbers or matches, no waiting for weeks on shipping, no frustrations when the wrong part arrives. There is even a trained and certified mechanic to do repairs I can not do.

Plus I have all the parts available from the internet for customizing.

If RE decides to reintroduce a fuel injected 500 Bullet classic I am trading the Himalayan for one. It is just the power difference I am looking for.

You would think it would be a blink of an eye decision, but if you compare the bikes with an open mind, it's not as easy as you think.

Yes, the RE 650 has 11 more hp, but it also weighs 445lbs with no fuel, which is quite a bit heavier than the SG400 at around 360lbs without fuel. That is a huge difference and will make a big difference in several aspects of performance and handling.

The 650 makes more torque sure, but it also flattens out pretty severely as it approaches it's 7500rpm redline. The SG400 has more revs to work with, but still looks to have a decent torque curve - though I can't comment how it pulls up top obviously. I have ridden a Int 650 though and am very familiar.

5 gallon fuel capacity on the SG vs 3.6 on the Int 650. Rated fuel economy is about the same, which gives the SG a heck of a range. Top Speeds are both near 100mph - 96 vs 105. That means they are both capable enough for highway duty.

Honestly, the one big advantage of the Int 650 is the aftermarket support. Being a big guy, even though I have lost a bunch of weight, I have to basically modify the suspension of every bike I own with higher rate springs at a minimum. I am actually not that worried about factory support as CSC has been an incredible company to work with in my own personal experience, and many owners have sung their praises in regards to warranty support.

I do like that the SG400 has inverted front forks as well. Brake performance is likely similar, the SG rotors being a little smaller, but the bike also being almost 100lbs lighter kind of makes up for it.

My interest for one of these bikes is to likely replace my Hawk as a commuter. Either bike would be good at the job honestly. The one big selling factor for me is how I fit on the bike, and from the specs I can find, the SG400 is actually pretty close to the same dimensions, being quite a bit narrower as the one big exception.

Originally Posted by XLsior

Not to derail the OP but if the China Bike money is in the same ball park I know where'd i'd be going.

You would think that would be an easy choice. After all the fees and everything else, new for new, the SG400 delivered is $5,445.

An Interceptor 650 (in Orange Crush, because I love Orange lol) after dealer fees and all, is about $6300 from my local dealership.

A $900 difference doesn't seem like much, but it's enough.

Plus, the Royal Enfields aren't unknown to have some quality issues similar to the higher end Chinese bikes. Cross threaded bolts from the factory, corrosion, and some poor material quality issues abound. The 650's just had a recall issued this year for the brake calipers corroding severely enough to potentially cause total brake failure.

I trust the build quality of the SG400 way more than I do my Hawk, and I ride the hell out of my Hawk.

[XLsior]

Originally Posted by Megadan

A $900 difference doesn't seem like much, but it's enough.

$900USD isn't chump change but neither is an additional 250cc displacement.
Build quality I believe RE has improved enough to not be as concerned.

Not to Say the SG400 isn't a decent bike either and $900 could get some decent custom upgrade options. First thing I'd be ditching is the weird tail appendage


had a dream of going to India and finding a RE Diesel Bullet. Riding it back to Australia....Not likely anytime soon given the way the world turned out or the probability of Australian customs killing the plan with fees and regulations.

[david3921]

Originally Posted by XLsior

There's a few custom RE 650 interceptor modded Scramblers around that look the business.
for example.

Some whispers of RE making their own scrambler based off the Himalayan but I don't think it looks as good. Scram 411.

Not to derail the OP but if the China Bike money is in the same ball park I know where'd i'd be going.

Even though I like the looks, and the performance is certainly there, I would be concerned about only having a single disk in the front.