The Recon

Ina Ditch · 05-11-2020, 06:40 PM

has been picked up by the trucking company and is waiting to leave Atlanta !!!

I wont start asking questions just yet as bad I would like to but I will leave some info for planned use so feel free to make suggestions.
My intent is for this bike to do 95% off road duty and even if I do decide to ride to work all but about 1.5 miles of it is on graded forest roads so I really have no need to be able to run 70 or 80 miles an hour, 60 MPH will get me everywhere I need to go with this bike since I live in the middle of a National Forest and wouldn't dare take into the big city. The only mod that I have my mind set on is to lower it front and rear and possibly shave the seat but I would rather not unless absolutely necessary. If there is any benefit at all I would also want to upgrade the exhaust and re-jet the carb.
OK, there she is so let me know what you think will benefit me for woods riding. Oh, I am probably around 100 feet above sea level, 9 months a year of high heat and humidity.

All.

Megadan · 05-11-2020, 07:43 PM

For what you want out of it, I would say get it, set the valve lash and maybe jet the carb as needed and call it a day.

Ina Ditch · 05-11-2020, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Megadan

For what you want out of it, I would say get it, set the valve lash and maybe jet the carb as needed and call it a day.

Thanks Dan, I am hoping it is geared like you or Jerry described your hawk, geared to climb a tree, I think that will be an advantage on the narrow little trails here close to home.

Megadan · 05-11-2020, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ina Ditch

Thanks Dan, I am hoping it is geared like you or Jerry described your hawk, geared to climb a tree, I think that will be an advantage on the narrow little trails here close to home.

The Hawks are tree climbers stock. Most of us hawk guys gear them down for better road manners and less tree climbing. A hawk comes with a 15 front and 50 rear. With the brozz having a smaller tire and I believe a 46 rear, you could install a 15 front and have a stump puller, but be aware that max top speed will be 58 to 60 tops with the rpms high up there as a trade.

Ina Ditch · 05-12-2020, 07:52 AM

[QUOTE=Megadan;336937]The Hawks are tree climbers stock. Most of us hawk guys gear them down for better road manners and less tree climbing. A hawk comes with a 15 front and 50 rear. With the brozz having a smaller tire and I believe a 46 rear, you could install a 15 front and have a stump puller, but be aware that max top speed will be 58 to 60 tops with the rpms high up there as a trade.[/QUOTE

I will give it a little while stock and see how she performs and go from there. I don't expect to be on highway very often and when I do it will be short stints of about a mile. It is twenty miles from the closest anything from where I live and all the shortest routes are by graded and ungraded dirt forest service roads which is most of my travel even by truck or car except for going to work. I used to travel to work through the woods but the roads just got to bad and it didn't save me time anymore only mileage, it cuts the mileage by about half.

culcune · 05-12-2020, 08:16 AM

All Bashans seem to come stock with 17/46 gearing which should be fine for the type of riding you intend. I had a bike when Chinariders first started which had 15/56 and screamed and vibrated at 55mph which was around its top speed. I then changed to a 44, and the bike still had a lot of the torque, and still only got to around 60mph, but was not screaming and vibrating. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone to a 17.

China Rider 27 · 05-12-2020, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ina Ditch

Thanks Dan, I am hoping it is geared like you or Jerry described your hawk, geared to climb a tree, I think that will be an advantage on the narrow little trails here close to home.

I would agree with Dan if you want to get by with no further investment. I have a low geared HAWK (3.0) with a PZ30b carburetor is all out a quick accelerator with that combination and a lot of fun to twist the grip on. I would suggest a 1/4 turn throttle to go with it, which I found out about courtesy of Dan's recommendations for the PZ30b. Taking the cat out and keeping the stock exhaust would help some with heat and increase efficiency.

Ina Ditch · 05-12-2020, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by China Rider 27

I would agree with Dan if you want to get by with no further investment. I have a low geared HAWK (3.0) with a PZ30b carburetor is all out a quick accelerator with that combination and a lot of fun to twist the grip on. I would suggest a 1/4 turn throttle to go with it, which I found out about courtesy of Dan's recommendations for the PZ30b. Taking the cat out and keeping the stock exhaust would help some with heat and increase efficiency.

ChinaRider I don't mind putting some money in it I just don't have the experience to know what will get me the most bang for my buck or what is a useful performance mod vs a ego boost. I drive a beat up 90 something carolla and a 05 silverado with a bashed in driver side courtesy of hurricane micheal, I have many faults but vanity ain't one of them. you brought up a point I was going to ask about.
I am wondering if increasing airflow in and out would lower the operating temperature of the motor? as noted elsewhere the heat and humidity are killer here. once the rains start late spring the humidity will stay very high through october and july will bring daytime highs over 100. I never had but one of my hondas run hot but even if they had I believe they would handle it based on the service I got out of the one that ran hot.

China Rider 27 · 05-12-2020, 10:19 PM

I too drive old vehicles, always have, that is were you get the most for your money, but then you also have to be a mechanic of sorts to keep them going. There is a temptation, I have succumbed to it, to get caught up in modification because it seems like the right thing to do and it goes on and on. You have to achieve the next level and then there is always a level beyond that, but that is also the fun for people, but it sometimes does not achieve in the end what you hope that it will.

After hearing your comments, I would suggest you should set the goal of taking your new bike and fixing the shortcomings and making it the best it can be with what it has initially for a time. If you do it right, you basically have to tear it down and build back up and that is plenty. Drive it for awhile then think about mods. One of the first mods I made was an oil cooler. Not usually a first choice mod but I guess my approach is a little different. Copied Jerry Hawks oil cooler install. He has a thread on it. I have a cg motor with an oil cooler and one without and no question it runs cooler with an oil cooler. Moving that hot exhaust gas out faster has to also reduce heat.

But I don't get as much fun out of an oil cooler when I twist the throttle!

Ina Ditch · 05-13-2020, 01:02 PM

Thank you both very much, I hope you know how much your help means to many here.
Dan, I started re-reading your guide AGAIN last night and will re-read it many times because I have CRS disease pretty bad. Both of you make perfect sense and pretty much sum up my sentiments, I'll put money in it anywhere it is needed but have to resist the urge to mod for the sake of modding, especially since I am not a mechanic and could take things from bad to worse in a quickness. I can relate to your mods Dan, I am a welding tool junkie and have poured money into things strictly to satisfy my own curiosity or to make one operation easier that I may only use a few times in my remaining life time. Not the best comparison but I understand sometimes you just gotta do it because you want to.
Thanks again to all of you here who share your knowledge and as repayment for your kindness I will strive to learn enough to be able to one day pay it forward.

Ina Ditch · 05-13-2020, 01:06 PM

I got a call from the trucking company confirming delivery for tomorrow, waiting on the call back for the 4 hour window of delivery time. I just ordered the rear shock, spoke tool, battery tender and a couple of other things and will pick up some rotella on the way home to meet the truck tomorrow. I ordered new feeler gauges to, the ones I have are really old and hard to read.

Ina Ditch · 05-13-2020, 05:03 PM

You know what really, really sucks ??? the bike is supposed to be here by 10:45 in the morning and as soon as it is unloaded I have to rush to work.

Tomorrow is going to be a painfully long day.

Biker_Andy · 05-13-2020, 05:25 PM

At least she's waiting for you when you get home. Did you go with the Tan or Green?

Ina Ditch · 05-13-2020, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Biker_Andy

At least she's waiting for you when you get home. Did you go with the Tan or Green?

If I had a choice I would have ordered the tan but all that is available right now is the green and I have been shopping a couple of months so I wasn't worried enough about it to wait until june or july, like I told Jeff if I can't learn to like it I'll either paint it or buy plastics, they aren't terribly expensive. I think once he gets the tan in stock he wont move the green real fast but who knows.

Biker_Andy · 05-13-2020, 06:44 PM

Take lots of pictures, I haven't seen much of the green. I do like the beefy rack and the tires on her look nice and aggressive. The Chinese rubber on my TT250 has held up surprising good. Hopefully the knobbies perform as good as they look on the dirt.

05-11-2020, 06:40 PM	#1
Ina Ditch Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: NW-Fl Posts: 305	The Recon has been picked up by the trucking company and is waiting to leave Atlanta !!! I wont start asking questions just yet as bad I would like to but I will leave some info for planned use so feel free to make suggestions. My intent is for this bike to do 95% off road duty and even if I do decide to ride to work all but about 1.5 miles of it is on graded forest roads so I really have no need to be able to run 70 or 80 miles an hour, 60 MPH will get me everywhere I need to go with this bike since I live in the middle of a National Forest and wouldn't dare take into the big city. The only mod that I have my mind set on is to lower it front and rear and possibly shave the seat but I would rather not unless absolutely necessary. If there is any benefit at all I would also want to upgrade the exhaust and re-jet the carb. OK, there she is so let me know what you think will benefit me for woods riding. Oh, I am probably around 100 feet above sea level, 9 months a year of high heat and humidity. All.
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05-11-2020, 07:43 PM	#2
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 8,065	For what you want out of it, I would say get it, set the valve lash and maybe jet the carb as needed and call it a day. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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05-12-2020, 08:16 AM	#6
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	All Bashans seem to come stock with 17/46 gearing which should be fine for the type of riding you intend. I had a bike when Chinariders first started which had 15/56 and screamed and vibrated at 55mph which was around its top speed. I then changed to a 44, and the bike still had a lot of the torque, and still only got to around 60mph, but was not screaming and vibrating. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone to a 17. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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05-13-2020, 05:25 PM	#13
Biker_Andy Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 347	At least she's waiting for you when you get home. Did you go with the Tan or Green? __________________ Electrician & Electronics Tech 2014 Honda CB500XA 2016 CSC TT250 1976 Honda CJ360T 2022 Honda Navi
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05-13-2020, 06:44 PM	#15
Biker_Andy Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 347	Take lots of pictures, I haven't seen much of the green. I do like the beefy rack and the tires on her look nice and aggressive. The Chinese rubber on my TT250 has held up surprising good. Hopefully the knobbies perform as good as they look on the dirt. __________________ Electrician & Electronics Tech 2014 Honda CB500XA 2016 CSC TT250 1976 Honda CJ360T 2022 Honda Navi
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05-12-2020, 07:52 AM	#5
Ina Ditch Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: NW-Fl Posts: 305	[QUOTE=Megadan;336937]The Hawks are tree climbers stock. Most of us hawk guys gear them down for better road manners and less tree climbing. A hawk comes with a 15 front and 50 rear. With the brozz having a smaller tire and I believe a 46 rear, you could install a 15 front and have a stump puller, but be aware that max top speed will be 58 to 60 tops with the rpms high up there as a trade.[/QUOTE I will give it a little while stock and see how she performs and go from there. I don't expect to be on highway very often and when I do it will be short stints of about a mile. It is twenty miles from the closest anything from where I live and all the shortest routes are by graded and ungraded dirt forest service roads which is most of my travel even by truck or car except for going to work. I used to travel to work through the woods but the roads just got to bad and it didn't save me time anymore only mileage, it cuts the mileage by about half.
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05-12-2020, 10:19 PM	#9
China Rider 27 Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: PNW Posts: 982	I too drive old vehicles, always have, that is were you get the most for your money, but then you also have to be a mechanic of sorts to keep them going. There is a temptation, I have succumbed to it, to get caught up in modification because it seems like the right thing to do and it goes on and on. You have to achieve the next level and then there is always a level beyond that, but that is also the fun for people, but it sometimes does not achieve in the end what you hope that it will. After hearing your comments, I would suggest you should set the goal of taking your new bike and fixing the shortcomings and making it the best it can be with what it has initially for a time. If you do it right, you basically have to tear it down and build back up and that is plenty. Drive it for awhile then think about mods. One of the first mods I made was an oil cooler. Not usually a first choice mod but I guess my approach is a little different. Copied Jerry Hawks oil cooler install. He has a thread on it. I have a cg motor with an oil cooler and one without and no question it runs cooler with an oil cooler. Moving that hot exhaust gas out faster has to also reduce heat. But I don't get as much fun out of an oil cooler when I twist the throttle!
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05-13-2020, 01:02 PM	#10
Ina Ditch Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: NW-Fl Posts: 305	Thank you both very much, I hope you know how much your help means to many here. Dan, I started re-reading your guide AGAIN last night and will re-read it many times because I have CRS disease pretty bad. Both of you make perfect sense and pretty much sum up my sentiments, I'll put money in it anywhere it is needed but have to resist the urge to mod for the sake of modding, especially since I am not a mechanic and could take things from bad to worse in a quickness. I can relate to your mods Dan, I am a welding tool junkie and have poured money into things strictly to satisfy my own curiosity or to make one operation easier that I may only use a few times in my remaining life time. Not the best comparison but I understand sometimes you just gotta do it because you want to. Thanks again to all of you here who share your knowledge and as repayment for your kindness I will strive to learn enough to be able to one day pay it forward.
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05-13-2020, 01:06 PM	#11
Ina Ditch Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: NW-Fl Posts: 305	I got a call from the trucking company confirming delivery for tomorrow, waiting on the call back for the 4 hour window of delivery time. I just ordered the rear shock, spoke tool, battery tender and a couple of other things and will pick up some rotella on the way home to meet the truck tomorrow. I ordered new feeler gauges to, the ones I have are really old and hard to read.
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05-13-2020, 05:03 PM	#12
Ina Ditch Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: NW-Fl Posts: 305	You know what really, really sucks ??? the bike is supposed to be here by 10:45 in the morning and as soon as it is unloaded I have to rush to work. Tomorrow is going to be a painfully long day.
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