Hard time deciding, Am I missing something ?

[Kipper1012]

Well I got paid Friday and was going to order me a hawk then..................
I saw the posts about the enforcer. and then I came across the BROZZ

Am I missing something ?

The Brozz has
17/47 sprockets
better carb
better battery
Led lights
Digital cluster
Remote start

Basically everything on the hawk I would upgrade.
the only draw back I see is smaller tires 19/17 is stead of 21/18

[culcune]

The rear brake is drum, but for some (me included who have dealt with Chinese enduros with disc brakes) this is a good thing.

[Electrotechnics]

If you were set for the Hawk I'd say go for the Enforcer, it is exactly the same as the Hawk, except it can be easily registered (I haven't done that yet so I can't speak from experience) but the hawk was blacklisted by the DMV on a federal level according to Don from APSC which is why he sold me an Enforcer even though I originally ordered a Hawk. And the Enforcer comes with that upgraded sprocket ratio, and a better looking handle bar, better carb, doesn't have the led lights but that can be easily upgraded.
The Brozz from what I hear is an excellent bike but it has those drawbacks such as wheel size, drum brake, and that it costs a fair bit more, if you can even find somewhere that has it.

[rideMI]

Originally Posted by Electrotechnics

If you were set for the Hawk I'd say go for the Enforcer, it is exactly the same as the Hawk, except it can be easily registered (I haven't done that yet so I can't speak from experience) but the hawk was blacklisted by the DMV on a federal level according to Don from APSC which is why he sold me an Enforcer even though I originally ordered a Hawk. And the Enforcer comes with that upgraded sprocket ratio, and a better looking handle bar, better carb, doesn't have the led lights but that can be easily upgraded.
The Brozz from what I hear is an excellent bike but it has those drawbacks such as wheel size, drum brake, and that it costs a fair bit more, if you can even find somewhere that has it.

Don giving you Bullshit, the Hawk is not blacklisted it's just not listed. The Rickypowersports Hawk is a Dirt Bike! You need a bike that is NHTSA certified with a FMVSS Sticker to be listed.

If I was in charge of dealer development at Rickypowersports and Don is saying that to customers and changing orders, APSC would not be selling anything from RPS.

[Ski_rush]

Originally Posted by rideMI

Don giving you Bullshit, the Hawk is not blacklisted it's just not listed. The Rickypowersports Hawk is a Dirt Bike! You need a bike that is NHTSA certified with a FMVSS Sticker to be listed.

If I was in charge of dealer development at Rickypowersports and Don is saying that to customers and changing orders, APSC would not be selling anything from RPS.

To be fair, he didn't say that to me. He said he thinks it WILL be in the future due to the lack of sticker. It is true that it does not have a sticker and can be a pain to register depending on the state one lives in and the person behind the counter.

[rideMI]

Originally Posted by Ski_rush

To be fair, he didn't say that to me. He said he thinks it WILL be in the future due to the lack of sticker. It is true that it does not have a sticker and can be a pain to register depending on the state one lives in and the person behind the counter.

Ski_rush, It is true that the Hawk does not have the sticker, It,s a Dirt Bike

The Hawk is imported into the USA as off road and will not be blacklisted in the future because it was never listed in the first place.

So why did he change your order from the Hawk to Enforcer?

[Kipper1012]

Well I just found a Local brick and mortar dealer 2 hrs from me in orlando that has both the Hawk and Brozz in stock. Guess I will be taking a road trip.

Just have to coordinate days off with my buddy that has a truck. So it might not be till next weekend :-(

[ripvw32]

Originally Posted by rideMI

Don giving you Bullshit, the Hawk is not blacklisted it's just not listed. The Rickypowersports Hawk is a Dirt Bike! You need a bike that is NHTSA certified with a FMVSS Sticker to be listed.

If I was in charge of dealer development at Rickypowersports and Don is saying that to customers and changing orders, APSC would not be selling anything from RPS.

Actually - per the CO DMV/DOT the NHTSA specifically lists it as not eligible for registration for street use... That is the definition of black list. It isn't overlooked or not considered at all - I saw the NHTSA web site to validate this when I originally was at the DMV (via VIN lookup)... it is why (at least in CO) you MUST register it as a custom bike and the process is detailed and takes about 45 days to complete...

[culcune]

Not to start arguments, but it is not blacklisted--it is just technically, per the feds, not supposed to be on the street--it is certified as an off-road dirt bike. It just happens to come stock with all the lights, horn, and speedo that allows it to be registered in many states. To me, blacklisted means that it is on a list of bikes kept by one of the bureaucracies that is supposed to be monitoring such lists, and special accommodations are made to make sure one of these bikes does not show up ANYWHERE. The last list the Hawk and Magician are on with the EPA is from 2016 (they might have updated their 2017 list recently) puts them in the same league as any other off-road bike like the Apollo, or X-Moto bikes (or KTM, Yamaha, Honda, etc., etc.) Blacklisted implies they are BANNED.

My guess is that if someone was to walk into the local DMV offices in a state like NJ, or Penn. (two of the states that will only street register vehicles that are on the federal database of vehicles that are DOT/EPA certified), it would not show up, and no matter how much hemming and hawing, and managers you plead your case with, they will simply just say "NO!"

It is interesting to read that there is hope in Colorado for the Hawk, and thank you for pointing out the 'custom bike' loophole for those members residing in Colorado who thought there was NO way to register one of these.

[goat67]

Originally Posted by culcune

The rear brake is drum, but for some (me included who have dealt with Chinese enduros with disc brakes) this is a good thing.

I agree it is one of the reasons I went with the Brozz I liked the rear drum.

[hertz9753]

I would like to see "Don from APSC" post that the Hawk was black listed on the federal level on this website and show proof. If he is a member here I have never seen him make a post like Adam from RPS and Joe from CSM.

He is a dealer that will say anything to get you to buy.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by hertz9753

I would like to see "Don from APSC" post that the Hawk was black listed on the federal level on this website and show proof. If he is a member here I have never seen him make a post like Adam from RPS and Joe from CSM.

He is a dealer that will say anything to get you to buy.

Yes that is quite a temptation, investing $35,000.00 dollars in a container load of motorcycles, then trying to sell them. If I was a dealer, selling Hawks, I'd be very tired of people calling me about problems registering motorcycles. So, as a dealer, I'd be happier selling Enforcers, which, hopefully will have no problems being 49 state registerable. Whether it's as good a motorcycle as the Hawk is, is yet to be determined......ARH

[Electrotechnics]

Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

Yes that is quite a temptation, investing $35,000.00 dollars in a container load of motorcycles, then trying to sell them. If I was a dealer, selling Hawks, I'd be very tired of people calling me about problems registering motorcycles. So, as a dealer, I'd be happier selling Enforcers, which, hopefully will have no problems being 49 state registerable. Whether it's as good a motorcycle as the Hawk is, is yet to be determined......ARH

Don said he was able to sell his stock of hawks to an off road only dealer, he kinda went on a rant to me about how mad he was at the haosan for not going through with the proper DVM paperwork that would allow it to be registered in the 2017 year. That's why he completely ditched them for Bashan who actually take care of their side of things. He said he didn't want to sell the hawk anymore becuase he didn't want anyone to get stuck with something they can't register. That's why he upgraded my order to the Enforcer from the hawk. From what I can see it is the same bike as the hawk on the frame and plastics, just those few upgraded parts. There's a guy with a hawk in my town, I'll have to hunt him down some time and compare the hawk and enforcer in person

[humanbeing]

Originally Posted by Kipper1012

better carb
better battery
Remote start

Although brand is the REAL 1 (not clone) BUT it's sealed as other's
Still a spillable battery
OKish r/s alarm system can found <$8 retail there. Don't know what's inside stock unit. Hopefully not as bad as http://www.chinariders.net/showthrea...095#post224095

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Kipper1012

Well I got paid Friday and was going to order me a hawk then..................
I saw the posts about the enforcer. and then I came across the BROZZ

Am I missing something ?

The Brozz has
17/47 sprockets
better carb
better battery
Led lights
Digital cluster
Remote start

Basically everything on the hawk I would upgrade.
the only draw back I see is smaller tires 19/17 is stead of 21/18

This model year Brozz has the 21/18" wheels. No brainer get the Brozz!
https://www.powerrideoutlet.com/dirt...abs_faq_tabbed
I would call and make sure about the wheel size but other then that its Brozz all the way.