$5895 for RX4

[Working_ZS]

Just scoping out CSC's site and noticed that they have posted a price for the RX4 - $5895. So $6300 after Assembly and Documentaion fees are added in.

No mention of the bikes specs at that price, so it is hard to say one way or another how good of a deal a buyer would be getting. The base price is $400 more than a non-ABS Versys - X300, which comes with nothing apart from the bike - no luggage, 12v/USB ports or crash bars. Plus 150 cc's lower displacement, engine wise. Then dealer fees.

I don't know, I guess I need to see the full specs before I decide anything.

[JerryHawk250]

450cc engine 43.5 HP

[1cylinderwonder]

$5895 is $100 more than the Versys-X 300 with ABS.
I can buy a Versys-X 300 for the MSRP $5795 price plus sales tax and license registration fee. NO freight, NO assembly charges.
Plus the Versys-X weighs less and has less pounds per horsepower than the RX4.
The Versys probably can “smoke” the RX4 in the quarter mile acceleration time.
(Versys-X, 386 lbs. 39 horsepower) (RX4, 450 lbs., 44 horsepower)
Less weigh is always better for off road use, in my opinion.
(I also checked out the Zongshen selling price, and it is much, much cheaper thanks CSC’s)

Originally Posted by Working_ZS

Just scoping out CSC's site and noticed that they have posted a price for the RX4 - $5895. So $6300 after Assembly and Documentaion fees are added in.
No mention of the bikes specs at that price, so it is hard to say one way or another how good of a deal a buyer would be getting. The base price is $400 more than a non-ABS Versys - X300, which comes with nothing apart from the bike - no luggage, 12v/USB ports or crash bars. Plus 150 cc's lower displacement, engine wise. Then dealer fees.

[Working_ZS]

Originally Posted by 1cylinderwonder

$5895 is $100 more than the Versys-X 300 with ABS.
I can buy a Versys-X 300 for the MSRP $5795 price plus sales tax and license registration fee. NO freight, NO assembly charges.
Plus the Versys-X weighs less and has less pounds per horsepower than the RX4.
The Versys probably can “smoke” the RX4 in the quarter mile acceleration time.
(Versys-X, 386 lbs. 39 horsepower) (RX4, 450 lbs., 44 horsepower)
Less weigh is always better for off road use, in my opinion.
(I also checked out the Zongshen selling price, and it is much, much cheaper thanks CSC’s)

I cannot speak to what you can get a Versys-x 300 for or the results of a 1/4 mile acceleration test, but in the case of the RX4's price, I'm pretty sure that the ongoing trade war with China has been factored into the price. I, too, have seen chinese RX4 prices a few hundred dollars less after converted to US dollars. But, that price is without taking into consideration CSC's overhead for federal EPA and CARB emissions certification costs and import tariffs on chinese goods.

I'm basing my speculation about import tariffs affecting CSC's price on a tidbit from Joe Berk, who put up a post on his Exhaust Notes blog about Baja John buying a TT250 for his house in Mexico. In it, he mentioned that Steve Seidner at CSC told Baja John it would be better to buy the bike now rather than wait till later in the year, due to the fact that prices were going up for the next shipment of bikes due to tariffs. So, to a certain extent, it is out of CSC's hands. They are a business and need to turn a profit to stay in business. I do not begrudge them that, though like everyone else in the world, I would love to get something for nothing, or next to nothing.

Regarding the RX4's weight, I agree that less is more when taking it off road. Hence my preference for the RX3S and its 380 cc parallel twin, which CSC decided not to bring in due to ergonomic problems. Although, based off of statements from CSC's blog, we may yet see a bike with the 380 cc twin engine in the future. Here's hoping a re-worked RX3 or similar sized bike makes an appearance in the not too distant future.

[Biker_Andy]

No freight & no assembly fee for a Versys? Maybe if you buy it in Japan partly assembled from the factory. There will be WAY more fees from a Japanese dealer then from CSC. Japanese fees typically add $500 to $1000 to the advertised price. Kawi, Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda all charge freight. The freight charge is from Japan to the dealership. CSC freight is from the dealership to your door if you choose to have it shipped, not from China to CSC. That freight is already included in the CSC price.

[Lee R]

Originally Posted by Biker_Andy

No freight & no assembly fee for a Versys? Maybe if you buy it in Japan partly assembled from the factory. There will be WAY more fees from a Japanese dealer then from CSC. Japanese fees typically add $500 to $1000 to the advertised price. Kawi, Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda all charge freight. The freight charge is from Japan to the dealership. CSC freight is from the dealership to your door if you choose to have it shipped, not from China to CSC. That freight is already included in the CSC price.

I got quotes for 5175 and 5450 +tax this summer looking at the V300x, that's for the non and abs models. It's nearly 1000 dollars cheaper than the RX4 NEW if you shop around. I ended up with a new Versys 650 LT for 1500 below msrp including tax (only 1300 more than the RX4, with luggage btw) so you definitely can find bikes way under MSRP if you look. Add in the difference in depreciation and the Versys 300 will be a cheaper bike even after you buy accessories. IMO I'd go that route at his time. But if someone likes RX4 go for it. I think they came in way to high in price tbh.

[1cylinderwonder]

Originally Posted by Lee R

I got quotes for 5175 and 5450 +tax this summer looking at the V300x, that's for the non and abs models. It's nearly 1000 dollars cheaper than the RX4 NEW if you shop around. I ended up with a new Versys 650 LT for 1500 below msrp including tax (only 1300 more than the RX4, with luggage btw) so you definitely can find bikes way under MSRP if you look. Add in the difference in depreciation and the Versys 300 will be a cheaper bike even after you buy accessories. IMO I'd go that route at his time. But if someone likes RX4 go for it. I think they came in way to high in price tbh.

If you shop around you can find motorcycles selling with NO assembly charges and NO shipping charges. Just sales tax and registration and license fees.
I’ve also found special additional discounts for military veterans. (As a veteran it’s nice to be finally receiving rewards for serving in the military)

[Lee R]

Originally Posted by 1cylinderwonder

If you shop around you can find motorcycles selling with NO assembly charges and NO shipping charges. Just sales tax and registration and license fees.
I’ve also found special additional discounts for military veterans. (As a veteran it’s nice to be finally receiving rewards for serving in the military)

I agree it's easy. Lot's of Kawasaki dealers who are competing with each other. All this talk about add this fee and that and it's 2000 more than MSRP are untrue in this market. Maybe years ago when sales were strong but definitely not today. Like I said I got my new Versys 650 LT for 1500 less than list price with nothing but a small doc fee, sales tax included. The Versys 300x was available under MSRP with tax included and all fees as well. Given the difference in price you could farkle it for similar price to the RX4 but with higher quality parts.

The RX3 was a good value initially but it's kinda bloated in price now and if I did it all over again I'd just pay the extra and get the Versys 300 for not much more. The only equipment I actually like on my RX3 is the crash bars. The luggage is tiny and leaks, the top box cracked at the mounting points, the headlights very weak and much of the rubber parts are cracked or dry rotted despite being in a garage in northern NY. The 12v/USB is crazy overpriced and the USB port is very low power. Paying 3500 I feel like it was "ok" for the price but I'd be irritated with it had I paid the 4195 (plus shipping/assembly) that it's listed at now. It's nearly 25% more expensive than a few years back and for less than 1k you can just get a new Versys 300x. When you sell it the Versys will end up costing less than the RX3.

When the RX4 was in rumor mill stages I was expecting a bike fully equipped to hit the market at 4500/4999 which would make it much more appealing than the price it's set at now.

It'll be interesting to see how the RX4 sells and performs in the long run. Hopefully it's another level of quality and reliability compared to the RX3, time will tell.

[Working_ZS]

Just an update for those still sitting on the fence - CSC sent out an email to people who have put down deposits on RX4's, stating that the bike's stock configuration is changing to luggage-less, subsequently they are lowering the price to US $5,395 + $55 documentation + 345 assembly. So, $5,795 for a bone stock RX4, delivered to your door, versus $6,345 originally.

For those who want luggage, they have three primary options available:

1. $429.95 - Gets you resin cases, identical to the RX3's.

2. $449.95 - Still resin cases, RX3 side panniers plus the new, larger resin top case that will fit a helmet.

3. $849.95 - This is the TourFella aluminum set up.

In addition, they are also willing to configure any other luggage set ups that the buyer may be interested in.

[calvarez]

Before buying the RX3, I was looking at some of the small Japanese bikes under $4k. Every single one of them had at LEAST $1k in dealer fees. I asked several dealers in various states, including a friend who runs a dealership in CO. He said they just can't make money on them, and even the highest friend discount was going to put me about $500 above MSRP out the door.

One dealer quoted nearly $2k in fees, though the bike was advertised a couple hundred below MSRP. It's all a game.

[Biker_Andy]

It bugs me when one dealer, CSC is honest and transparent with fees and people bash them for being more expensive without having any clue about the real hidden fees that EVERY other dealership has. Plus the Versys is a street bike that only looks like an adventure bike. It would cost propably $1000 - $2000 to upgrade the Versys so it could do what the RX4 is capable of stock. Then you still need to add another $500-$1000 for racks & luggage. Apples to apples the RX4 will beat the competition or CSC wouldn't be importing it.

[1cylinderwonder]

I’m not interested in the fully loaded RX4. I’m more in the Scrambler model mode. I don’t want crashbars, hard saddlebags, hard top box, 12volt socket plug, USB ports, heated grips, cellphone bracket, etc. (an over-loaded, too heavy motorcycle) I’m not traveling coast to coast.
I want a light weight, lightly equipped, easily controlled, and easy to pick up if I’m dumped in the off road, non-paved, non-traveled territory. I want to explore interesting areas.
So the fully accessorized RX4 is not my bike. I don’t want to pay for a bike I then have to strip down to my specs! So to me the now listed price is too expensive.

Originally Posted by Biker_Andy

It bugs me when one dealer, CSC is honest and transparent with fees and people bash them for being more expensive without having any clue about the real hidden fees that EVERY other dealership has. Plus the Versys is a street bike that only looks like an adventure bike. It would cost propably $1000 - $2000 to upgrade the Versys so it could do what the RX4 is capable of stock. Then you still need to add another $500-$1000 for racks & luggage. Apples to apples the RX4 will beat the competition or CSC wouldn't be importing it.

[Working_ZS]

Originally Posted by 1cylinderwonder

I want a light weight, lightly equipped, easily controlled, and easy to pick up if I’m dumped in the off road, non-paved, non-traveled territory. I want to explore interesting areas.

Well then get out your credit card, call CSC and order a TT250 or San Gabriel if your the scrambler type. Maintenance is dead simple: keep oil in the crankcase and gas in the tank and it will probably last longer than you will. Their engine is a Honda CG clone with the addition of a balance shaft, so smoother than any CG Honda ever produced. No oil filter, paper element air filter, adjust the valves whenever they need it or every day if you want (takes 15 minutes, literally). If you break anything, CSC has everything parts-wise in stock and priced more than affordably. My TT250 is a hoot and complements my RX3 perfectly.

Now if a 230cc engine is too small and you must have a lightweight 450, then Honda will be happy to sell you one. They'll even strip off all the extra crap that you don't want to pay for and only charge you an extra $5000 above and beyond what CSC is asking for the RX4.

No sense in berating the RX4 for not being a lightweight scrambler when it is not intended for that use nor marketed as such. Basically, it's a RX3 on steroids (more power, better brakes) - good for touring, gravel and fire roads and light off road work (although I have no doubt that someone will take it on the most God forsaken trail that they can find - and it will make it through, and then complain that it is not as good as a KTM 350 or 500 EXC, lol).

[fjmartin]

On the weight comment, It can be a bit of a math quiz. Kawi weight is for the bare bike wet weight. When I got my RX3 the claimed weight was 385 lbs dry. I then did a bunch of math about the wet weight, my added farkles and then went to a certified scale and weighed it.

Claimed dry weight is 385 pounds
1.7 quarts of oil is 7.2 pounds per gallon = 3.06 pounds
3.7 gallons of gas is 6.073 pounds per gallon = 22.47 pounds
67.6 ounces of coolant is 6.5 pounds per gallon = 3.47 pounds
3.06+22.47+3.47=29.0 lb of liquids
Wet would be = 414 pounds. That must include the OEM skid plate, crash bars, luggage racks and plastic luggage since mine was 420 with the farkles.

Weighed Items-
Grab Rail: 5 lb
Rack Plate: 3 lb
Rear Luggage Carrier assembly: 8 lb
Updated CSC Skid Plate: 3 lb
Passenger Foot Pegs (2): 2.25 lb
Engine Guards: 12 lb
Billet Guards - 4 lb
Spot Lights - 1 lb
Spot and Phone Mount - 1 lb
Electronics - 1 lb
Agi-Tubes = 3 lb
Tourfella Luggage = 12.5+12.5+12.6=37.6 lb
5+3+8+3+2.25+12+4+1+1+1++3+37.6=80.85 lb in total farkles

Totals-
Wet Weight of my bike with all farkles = 420 lb
Dry Weight of my bike with all farkles = 420-29=391 lb
Naked Dry weight = 420-29-80.85=310.15 lb
Naked Wet Weight = 310.15+29=339.15 lb

So what I'm seeing from my RX3 math and if they do it the same for the RX4 is that the 450 pound weight is going to be dry weight so it will be more like 480 wet BUT that includes a bunch of the things you'd probably add onto the Versys like luggage racks, luggage, crash bars, etc.

[TK]

What color is the sky in your world and when did Adventure bikes start drag racing?