Cf Moto 450mt

[Ohiordr]

CF Moto 450mt looks like a pretty badass little bike. Anyone have any news on it?

[Gabbiano88]

It does look pretty sweet

[Thumper]

The challenge for the 400+ range adventure tour builds has always been weight, and center of gravity. That engine is mounted kind of high compared to the dual purpose and enduros Hawk, Templar, Brozz, Trailmaster TMs, Titan, CSC TTs... The engines in all of these bikes have the crankshaft much closer to the lower frame stays.

There seems to be an oil sump under the CF Moto twin that pushes it higher in the cradle. And then there are the radiators mounted up high, and the fairing,windshield gear, and a large gas tank. Add luggage and you have a top heavy bike that will take some careful riding to keep upright in the off road environment. And when it goes down, you might want some help lifting it back up!

Too bad a 400cc 2 stroke isn't in the offing. This would provide all of the power and eliminate the valves and camgear from the top of the engine, and it could be mounted lower.

All that said, this CFMoto looks like a ton of fun and it is way better than those stupid 800+ cc adventure touring bikes which are just plain road bikes masquerading as "off road capable"
I have heard of the nightmares of taking them on single track and going down, unable to pick up the bike without help.

And for the price, nothing else will be close.

[XLsior]

[Sport Rider]

as I understand, they are supposed to be here this fall. I'm interested in looking them over. Would be a good alternative to my gen 1 KLR.

[XLsior]

I'm getting close to saving a deposit and signing a purchase plan...


I need a highway capable machine. that wont guzzel diesel like my van/s or buzz my bones out like a CG250 does...



Going to go to my local dealership to see and get a hands on feel for it.


I have searched CFmoto 450MT on aliexpress and there is already a bunch of bolt on stuff...Also a pretty big scene growing for them here in Australia already...



My only hold out now is any potential paint/color scheme potentially being offered for MY25*


Though I'm fine with the Zephyr Blue TBH.

[bigdano711]

I really thought I wanted one of these bikes. It's the hype machine that has turned me off of it. They have over-baked it and taken too long to release it. Most people who are in the market are going to pass on it and grab something like the Himalayan. I think it's going to flop, save for the YouTube reviewers and extra hype. Too heavy for the trail and "ok" on the highway, kinda misses on both. Leaning hard towards the Lifan KPX 250.

[XLsior]

Not Sure why it has not released yet in the US.


They are more or less sold out and are on extended waiting lists in Australia and the UK.


I Trust Nathan's judgment... Anyone who has ridden a CT110 from Australia to the UK and now operates a bike riding business without major sponsors, I would consider a legitimate voice on the matter.


For me it's a perfect bike...


I've done the save on old single cylinder thumper from the scrap heap experience and got a feel for what 250cc can offer...Still have the bike, no intention of selling it.



Some people will prefer a single cylinder...But if I am buying brand new under 10k AUD new I'm going for that 270* parallel twin thank you very much...


I think the new himmy is fugly...I like the old Himmy 411 and would consider it a used market option.





If you're doing mostly single track then I agree the 450MT its not a good choice.

I've come to realize I'm a 90% road person who has to confront rural road conditions. But would like the 50% off road capability when I need it

[Thumper]

I saw a fully decked BMW R 1250 GS in a parking lot yesterday. Somehow they kept it under 550 lbs before luggage. But more than $20k

[XLsior]

The big GS crowd is another demographic...


Seem to attract the folically challenged midlife crises crowd who enjoy overpriced coffee...


I've got enough back pain in my life already.


To each their own...I'm not really into the whole 2 wheeled land barge.

[bigdano711]

If I looked at it strictly as a road bike...maybe. I still want to experience a Vulcan, but would like to be able to hit a gravel road or trail if I feel like it. Forget that with a Vulcan.

[XLsior]

Cruisers and 2 wheeled yachts have a place...Impeccable roads and courteous traffic users help.


My local rough roads and every other vehicle being a SUV or Pickup make a low slung side impact motorcycle target.


I want to be able to do highway speeds in reasonable comfort, I don't intend to live on road though...



but the behemoth ADV machine is a rolling contradiction and I'm not a 7ft weight lifter.

[bigdano711]

That's why I love the Hawk and the KPX 250, you're pretty high up there and visible to drivers on the road. Way more than the 91 Harley FXR. "Loud pipes saves lives" is a false statement when all the drivers around you have their windows rolled up, AC full blast and radio blastin'. I can't tell you how many times an SUV/Pickup/Passenger vehicle almost side-swiped me with a blinker-less lane change. If I can help it, I will never set foot in the SF Bay Area, or California, again.

[ProDigit]

Originally Posted by bigdano711

That's why I love the Hawk and the KPX 250, you're pretty high up there and visible to drivers on the road. Way more than the 91 Harley FXR. "Loud pipes saves lives" is a false statement when all the drivers around you have their windows rolled up, AC full blast and radio blastin'. I can't tell you how many times an SUV/Pickup/Passenger vehicle almost side-swiped me with a blinker-less lane change. If I can help it, I will never set foot in the SF Bay Area, or California, again.

You might as well get a Vader 150 for that. I can see the top of the roofs of sendans, and sit higher than most non SUV/truck cars.




My only complaint about the 450, is weight.
It's 400+lbs wet weight. For the price and weight, you can get an FZ07.
My limit is really 300lbs, and lighter if possible.
I really love my Vader 150 (258lbs, and now 250lbs after mods and battery swap to a lithium).
My Xpect 200 (~303lbs) feels heavy in comparison.

It's got the power, but options like the KTM or svartpilen are serious contenders if you just buy them for the streets.

[bigdano711]

Originally Posted by ProDigit

You might as well get a Vader 150 for that. I can see the top of the roofs of sendans, and sit higher than most non SUV/truck cars.

This just makes no sense. The road I live on is 100 yards from a 70mph highway. Thankfully, traffic is extremely light. Still, I need to get up to speed pretty fast and going to a bike with half the HP as a Hawk 250? Being up high and visible to other drivers is great, but not the leading factor.


I don't think I'd want a Vader for anything, not even cruising around camp sites.