Genuine question...

Weresquatch · 04-18-2024, 05:26 PM

Give me the pros of the RX4 vs the new RE Himalayan 452 (not yet available here in the US)? I decided I'm going to sell my Triumph Legend for a tourer/adv in the 400-500cc range.

My short list as of right now....
KTM 390 Adventure
CSC RX4
Himalayan 452
Honda 500x

Thanks in advance.

XLsior · 04-18-2024, 07:12 PM

I'm more partial to the CF MOTO 450MT personally in that displacement bracket.

pyoungbl · 04-18-2024, 10:08 PM

Himma has the advantage of after market support, as well as a dealer network. If you are handy, can do normal maintenance yourself, and are happy with the RX4 as delivered, there is a significant price advantage for the RX4. Either should give you thousands of miles of trouble free service. I think the comparison holds for the other bikes listed. Don't forget that the RX4 includes hard bags, crash bars, TPS, TFT screen and a steel 5 gal tank.

Weresquatch · 04-18-2024, 10:36 PM

Good call

Sport Rider · 04-19-2024, 08:51 AM

depends on what kind of riding you want to do. the link below is a 10 part series comparing the Himi, KTM390 and Triumph scrambler 400x. it's only a couple on your list, but in the end, it comes down to the type of riding you want to do.

This guy happened to pick the Himi in the end. he felt it was more off-road oriented than the other 2, which it is. The others are good, just that for his purposes it suited him better.

Weresquatch · 04-19-2024, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sport Rider

depends on what kind of riding you want to do. the link below is a 10 part series comparing the Himi, KTM390 and Triumph scrambler 400x. it's only a couple on your list, but in the end, it comes down to the type of riding you want to do.

This guy happened to pick the Himi in the end. he felt it was more off-road oriented than the other 2, which it is. The others are good, just that for his purposes it suited him better.

I grew up with Triumphs and currently have a Legend TT 900 that I'll likely be selling. The 400x Scrambler in green is GORGEOUS but it doesn't have quite the off-road chops I'm looking for so for now the RE Hima 452 is in pole position.

krat · 04-19-2024, 09:11 PM

If you don't know what you want buy the CFMoto and ride it around until it breaks and you can't get parts or service, or you figure out what you really want.

When you figure out what you really want buy the RE and ride it for the next 50 years.

ProDigit · 04-19-2024, 09:24 PM

For bigger bikes than 250cc, I would go with Japanese brands.
Even KTM, their bikes suck when taking them offroad (their suspension mainly).
Get a BMW, Honda, Kawa, or Suzuki variant. Preferably Honda, the Toyota of bikes.

Any Indian, Korean, Chinese bike are much heavier and perform worse.

If I ever were to buy another highway bike, it'd be a fuel injected CB500F, that somehow magically weighs less than 375LBS. But I have no need for that now.

XLsior · 04-19-2024, 10:59 PM

The build quality of CF MOTO is about as good as KTM with some parts interchangeable and readily available from aliexpress or alibaba and comparable to Japanese when thier cost cutting bike offerings are trimmed down to compete and lack some features China offers...

RE parts and distribution is no better or worse than modern global shipping standards. I've had stuff from China arrive faster than national domestic products.

Yes you get more weight than Japan or Euro but you can often spend double or more getting 98% of the bike.

Nothing against the NEW 452 Himmy I just don't like the way it looks and for the money I'd prefer a twin engine not a single.

ProDigit · 10-13-2024, 03:14 PM

Yeah, I wrote that comment before I bought a CFMoto bike.
But CFMoto has some serious problems as well.
Their 700 CL-X was released somewhere around 2019, and came into the US market around 2021; and is already discontinued for 2025.

Parts for CFMoto can take 6 months before they arrive.

Many CFMoto models have been found with water inside the frame tubes, rusting out the tubes.

Reliability of the parts is another big question mark.

All their bikes are fuel injected, and all of them have jerky throttle issues between idle and acceleration. You won't really notice it on the 300, because it doesn't have sufficient power, and on the 450 it's noticeably not smooth, but not too jerky.
The issues seem to arise with the 650, and 700cc models and possibly 800 models as well.
Getting a flash done can take care of the issue, so does apparently turning on the bike without starting it, and roll on and off the throttle before starting (6-8 seconds for a full roll on, and a full roll off). Not sure how it fixes it, I haven't done it yet.

And lastly, the chain they use on their 450 series bikes, is a non-standardized chain.
Meaning, it has a pitch between a 428 and a 520 chain.
You can do a 520 chain and sprocket swap, however, the front sprockets fit loosely on the shaft, not tight.

JTSprockets does make (I believe 13 or) 14-18tooth front sprockets, and a 38, 41, and 43 rear sprocket ring.
That will allow you plenty of gearing combinations, however, once the chain is done for, it'll be hard to find a fitting replacement.

So basically between 5 to 10k miles, you'll need a new chain, which will cost a good 6 months at the 'stealer'-ship.

Oh, and another thing,
CFMoto 450 bikes can be gotten for $4500 new, vs $5-6k for similar bikes of other brands.
However after all the dealerfees, both bikes cost about the same (in the $7k range).
So in a way, the dealerships are ripping people off. Charging $800 for just mounting the bike from the crate. I can do it at home,

04-18-2024, 05:26 PM	#1
Weresquatch Join Date: Jan 2024 Posts: 105	Genuine question... Give me the pros of the RX4 vs the new RE Himalayan 452 (not yet available here in the US)? I decided I'm going to sell my Triumph Legend for a tourer/adv in the 400-500cc range. My short list as of right now.... KTM 390 Adventure CSC RX4 Himalayan 452 Honda 500x Thanks in advance. __________________ Templar X 250 Vespa GTS 300 Vespa ET4 150 Triumph Legend TT 900
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04-18-2024, 10:36 PM	#4
Weresquatch Join Date: Jan 2024 Posts: 105	Good call __________________ Templar X 250 Vespa GTS 300 Vespa ET4 150 Triumph Legend TT 900
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04-19-2024, 08:51 AM	#5
Sport Rider Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Mooresville NC Posts: 2,116	depends on what kind of riding you want to do. the link below is a 10 part series comparing the Himi, KTM390 and Triumph scrambler 400x. it's only a couple on your list, but in the end, it comes down to the type of riding you want to do. This guy happened to pick the Himi in the end. he felt it was more off-road oriented than the other 2, which it is. The others are good, just that for his purposes it suited him better. __________________ Dave Bikes I've owned: Suzuki GS450T, Yamaha XS500, Honda V45 Sabre, Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic (2), Suzuki VX800, Kawasaki Ninja 650, Triumph TT600, Honda Superhawk, Kawasaki Concours 1000 (3, including a sidecar rig), Buell XB9R, Kawasaki Nomad 1500, Concours 14, Honda Goldwing (2), Housen Hawk, Suzuki Intruder 1400, Kawasaki KLR650, Victory V92TC.
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04-19-2024, 09:11 PM	#7
krat Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: KY Posts: 277	If you don't know what you want buy the CFMoto and ride it around until it breaks and you can't get parts or service, or you figure out what you really want. When you figure out what you really want buy the RE and ride it for the next 50 years. __________________ %90 of the Chinese motorbikes ever made are still on the road. The other %10 made it back home.
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10-13-2024, 03:14 PM	#10
ProDigit Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: FL Posts: 365	Yeah, I wrote that comment before I bought a CFMoto bike. But CFMoto has some serious problems as well. Their 700 CL-X was released somewhere around 2019, and came into the US market around 2021; and is already discontinued for 2025. Parts for CFMoto can take 6 months before they arrive. Many CFMoto models have been found with water inside the frame tubes, rusting out the tubes. Reliability of the parts is another big question mark. All their bikes are fuel injected, and all of them have jerky throttle issues between idle and acceleration. You won't really notice it on the 300, because it doesn't have sufficient power, and on the 450 it's noticeably not smooth, but not too jerky. The issues seem to arise with the 650, and 700cc models and possibly 800 models as well. Getting a flash done can take care of the issue, so does apparently turning on the bike without starting it, and roll on and off the throttle before starting (6-8 seconds for a full roll on, and a full roll off). Not sure how it fixes it, I haven't done it yet. And lastly, the chain they use on their 450 series bikes, is a non-standardized chain. Meaning, it has a pitch between a 428 and a 520 chain. You can do a 520 chain and sprocket swap, however, the front sprockets fit loosely on the shaft, not tight. JTSprockets does make (I believe 13 or) 14-18tooth front sprockets, and a 38, 41, and 43 rear sprocket ring. That will allow you plenty of gearing combinations, however, once the chain is done for, it'll be hard to find a fitting replacement. So basically between 5 to 10k miles, you'll need a new chain, which will cost a good 6 months at the 'stealer'-ship. Oh, and another thing, CFMoto 450 bikes can be gotten for $4500 new, vs $5-6k for similar bikes of other brands. However after all the dealerfees, both bikes cost about the same (in the $7k range). So in a way, the dealerships are ripping people off. Charging $800 for just mounting the bike from the crate. I can do it at home, __________________
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04-18-2024, 07:12 PM	#2
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,444	I'm more partial to the CF MOTO 450MT personally in that displacement bracket.
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04-18-2024, 10:08 PM	#3
pyoungbl Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Portsmouth, Virginia, USA Posts: 632	Himma has the advantage of after market support, as well as a dealer network. If you are handy, can do normal maintenance yourself, and are happy with the RX4 as delivered, there is a significant price advantage for the RX4. Either should give you thousands of miles of trouble free service. I think the comparison holds for the other bikes listed. Don't forget that the RX4 includes hard bags, crash bars, TPS, TFT screen and a steel 5 gal tank.
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04-19-2024, 09:24 PM	#8
ProDigit Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: FL Posts: 365	For bigger bikes than 250cc, I would go with Japanese brands. Even KTM, their bikes suck when taking them offroad (their suspension mainly). Get a BMW, Honda, Kawa, or Suzuki variant. Preferably Honda, the Toyota of bikes. Any Indian, Korean, Chinese bike are much heavier and perform worse. If I ever were to buy another highway bike, it'd be a fuel injected CB500F, that somehow magically weighs less than 375LBS. But I have no need for that now.
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04-19-2024, 10:59 PM	#9
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,444	The build quality of CF MOTO is about as good as KTM with some parts interchangeable and readily available from aliexpress or alibaba and comparable to Japanese when thier cost cutting bike offerings are trimmed down to compete and lack some features China offers... RE parts and distribution is no better or worse than modern global shipping standards. I've had stuff from China arrive faster than national domestic products. Yes you get more weight than Japan or Euro but you can often spend double or more getting 98% of the bike. Nothing against the NEW 452 Himmy I just don't like the way it looks and for the money I'd prefer a twin engine not a single.
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