Jim's Gio Beast
 

While I haven't really been in the market for an atv, but I've been keeping an eye out (as may have been noticed in the craigslist topic)... I would also add in that the enablers (or as some prefer to be called facilitators) also aided in leaning me towards buying one...

The other thing was I'm pretty cheap, there was a few recently I was looking at but the first one sold just before I made the guy an offer and the second was asking more then I wanted to pay...

I figured I would just be patient and wait for the right deal to pop up on craigslist. Well it didn't... It turns out my sisters boyfriend had one he wanted to get rid of. And when he was describing it he threw in the, well it's just one of those Chinese knockoffs... I liked the way it was going... He did tell me it needed work and wasn't running. The body is taken off it, and he untied the wires to try and trace the issue. He figures it's the coil. I didn't want to make an offer and offend him however, so he finally came up with a number and said he'd be happy to get a hundred bucks for it! I think I found my deal :D

So I picked it up today (my dad took me over with his truck since I've only got my car on the road). It does need work. The front left tire was flat. The headlight lens is broken (missing completely). There is a crack in the weld on one of the swing arms cross members. The counter sprocket cover is missing (it was broken when the chain snapped in the past apparently), if anyone knows where I can find one cheap that would be great. The levers and one of the perches are junk. One of the cooling fins is cracked, and the cooling fan is missing from the fan body. And it needs to get running again. I'd say the worst part is the wiring, it doesn't look like any of the connectors are connected anymore, and it's not all there. I think it's mostly there. The coil and plug wire are missing, but he said he has it and will get it to me. He told me when we picked it up if there is anything else he'll find it for me. Oh and the battery is working. I think that's it for now...

I still need to finish my 350 Honda, but it doesn't have a lot left, so I may work on this before too long. If I get it running I want to get it put back together and do the upgrades Weld&Grind and TurboT recommend. Carb, shocks, exhaust, etc...

One thing, I believe it has a twist grip throttle, is that something that the older beasts had? The pics I see in the auction have the thumb throttle...

It was made in 2007 according to the sticker. I don't know if it's a zong or lifan engine, I'm going to try and clean the motor off a bit so I can read the stamp on it.

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I threw the plastic on just to have a look at it.
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Wow! I've never seen one with all the plastics off :D. Wiring does look a little messed up but they are quite simple so it shouldn't be too hard to sort out. I think there was a wiring diagram floating around the site for the Beasts... I can't remember if it was one of PCD's posts, or if waynev posted it. The engine in my 2009 is a Zongshen but I'm not sure if they were using the Zongshen engines in the 2007's as well? Once you get it up and running and tuned it's actually quite amazing how good those overhead valve 200cc's run. I suspect it's nothing major keeping it from running... Usually if it will turn over it can be made to run. Grats on the new project, youll have a blast with it :D.

Cheers,
Stew

Edit: Here is a thread with a pic of the diagram... PCD posted it but the flash kind of messed up the middle of the pic. I think there's another thread with the diagram as well. Not as daunting when you have the pic to work with :D
http://chinariders.net/modules.php?n...wiring+diagram

Thanks Stew I appreciate that, was hoping to find a diagram :) Once I get the rest of the pieces from Matt (the guy I bought it from), then I'll start connecting things and see where it goes... He figured it was the coil, I don't know a lot about ignition but I've heard the cdi is a common cause of trouble... I don't seem to have that, but maybe he has it with the other stuff he has...

I do prefer facilitator, but I would also accept "equipping elder". :lol:

That is exactly the same as T's beast. That twist grip was added by somebody, and you might not like it. You don't lean into turns with a quad like a bike, so you can have trouble operating the throttle when in a hard left turn. I'm sure a Gio replacement will be cheap.

I have spare CDI's and coils laying around, and you won't need the fan; it's largely decoration, unless you do a lot of low speed riding. We can easily use my Beast as a reference to correct the wiring on yours. No way would I use those lights unless you add a relay.

Don't worry about the sprocket cover yet. You might not care that it's missing. Most serious motocrossers remove them to facilitate cleaning.

My Beast and TurboT's Beast were made in the same month, yet mine says Zongshen and his does not. Who knows how many factories were making them.

When would you like the swingarm welded up? :D

Yeah I am pretty sure I want to swap it back to a thumb throttle... If that twist grip is something you could use for your project it's yours (once I get a replacement)... I do have to confirm that it is a twist grip and I am not just remembering incorrectly.

The only thing with the cover is I figured it may help to keep my pant or shoe lace from getting caught in the sprocket and chain.

The swing arm can wait until after I get it running, but I think we can handle that... Either my dad will do it, or will show me how... Thanks for the offer though :)

The fan I figured wasn't necessary, but if it did need replacing I'd find a cheap computer fan or something, gio wants too much for theirs.

As far as the lights go, I was planning on pulling off the added driving lights, and if I found a replacement headlight fixture for it putting that back on it. I'll probably pull off the tail light and throw on one of those 50 diode led's as well.

I spotted your response (in another forum) to the throttle I can contribute, and I'd be grateful for your twist grip. :D

Sounds like we have a deal then ;) It's hard to keep up on the conversation when it keeps changing locations :P

Yep, that's my ADD kicking in... oh look, a spider!

I'm just as guilty :P

Congrats on club membership, Jim. :)

I do believe there is a set of shocks with your name on them on here from some nice guy named Waynec. I'd send him a PM. :)

The machine does look better with the body kit on. :)

My fan was smashed too, still not working, never had an issue.

I have spare CDi's around too. :) Easy to trouble shoot that stuff.

Congrats on the ATV. You said the front sprocket cover is broken from the chain coming off? Could have damaged the wiring down there and cause a no spark situation.

Turbo I think someone already claimed those, but I also sent a PM to check, but I'm bidding on some at the gio auctions too... The only thing is the rear isn't included with them.

I'll probably pull the fan housing right off.

Cal it's possible, I think he said it was working after that though, I believe he said it was running good but just died and no spark after, but I'll try and get all the wiring straightened out, it's pretty messy right now. I have no idea what he did to it, for some reason one of the battery wires was ripped off the battery rather then undoing the connection for example. The wiring also looks butchered up where the additional driving lights were added.

When buying from Gio auctions, how do I combine shipping? Do I just hold off paying until I get the other items, or do I need to contact them?

Just hold off on paying until you've bought everything you want. IIRC, you have four days.

You won't need the rear shock right away. TurboT and I are still using the stockers in the back.

Sounds good thanks... I have the day off today it turns out, so I'm going try and cleanup the wiring and stuff a bit, and swap the rear tire on the honda. I'll grab that fender, and take a picture of the controls on the cb... I'll also pull off the twist throttle if that's indeed whats on the beast. If I'm forgetting something let me know.

Wow. I wonder why the prior owner hated that little quad so? It looks like the Oliver of the ATV world. :oops:

That said it looks to be inexpensively repairable and will be a fine steed. 8)

W&G will have to do some welding, and with people chipping in parts and information you'll have fun.

I look forward to the picture thread!

One thing though....

I'd back burner the Honda and do the quad now because you can enjoy the quad in the winter and you'd have to wait till spring to ride the Honda.

JMHO. :D

Excellent logic Doc! :D Jim, listen to the good Doctor. It's his medical opinion. :lol:

The bill is in the mail.

:lol:

Ditto on the back shock, while it's not great, it's not as necessary as the front pogo sticks. They make a night and day difference.

Nah. We're Chinariders. We look after one another for free!

Thanks Doc. The guy I bought it from is at least the second owner. I just don't know why the guy I bought it from made such a mess of the wires, though it's possible they were already a mess when he got it... I think the guy before him threw on those lights. I found a screwdriver bit where the fuse belongs...

I changed the rear Honda tire today, so there's not much left to do on it... I also cleaned up the beast a little. I pulled off the twist grip throttle for W&G as well. Looks like I don't have a spare horn. Got the fender picked up too.

I'll have to take W&G up on the wiring though, it doesn't look like the wires are color matched on both sides of the connectors, and so on... Quite a mess. Can take care of a lot of the other stuff here I think.

Derryk, do you have tubes for the front tires too or just the rears?

Weld, I've got the fender and twist throttle for you, I checked and don't have a spare horn. I took a picture of the switches off the parts honda so you can have a look at them, I'll upload them shortly.

Here are the controls off the Honda,
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And I was wondering if the controls on the Beast are stock?
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I also got the rear tire/tube swapped on the Honda today and the rear brakes hooked up.

I have a spare horn for my Yamaha you're welcome to if you want it.

When do I get the membership card and jacket?

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3...ck/gioclub.gif :lol:
(for the non internet geeky type folk, the above is called a user bar, they're popular in forum signatures)

Doc I don't know for sure if you're talking to Weld&Grind, or to me, but I was checking if I had one for his project, if you were offering it to me I appreciate it, but Weld is the one ... :)

Jim, after looking at your Beast photos, I realized that those are the perfect solution for me, and I can probably get them cheap. What is used as a kill switch on the Beast was originally designed as a signal light switch, and the electric start button is for a horn. Yes, those are the stock Beast controls, although the right side looks a little messed up.

I have tubes in all four tires, but I can't remember if T has them only in the back.

When would you like to examine the Beast wiring? The screwdriver bit in the fuse holder is hilarious! :lol:

Is the CB perch on the throttle side in good shape?

"We don't care how they do it in Japan." Priceless. :lol:

This would fix your front brake lever and your throttle in one step, although it's a little pricey. You're still welcome to the mini atv throttle I have.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/150cc-200cc-ATV-C...item3a5c2e54ef

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There is a crack in the hole on the left, I think the one on the right is the pivot for the lever... The one with the crack is for the mirror I think.

They're not the best option, but if you think they'll do the trick, or even just want to try I can pull them off..

I was wondering why the beast had a signal switch, so that cuts the engine... So weird. I wonder why they didn't just go with the cheaper kill switch / starter switch I've seen on most other china bikes... (this is the one I mean http://www.giobikes.com/Bars-and-Con...t-Stop-Switch/ )

The right side is definitely messed up.

I'll probably put tubes in all 4 too, it sounds like a good idea.

I don't know when is best to examine the wiring, I guess it would be easiest side by side like you said, so I guess if I hauled it over there one day? Whenever works for you, I don't want to impose or anything... The only days I can say no to right now is tomorrow I'm going to a Heat game, and Saturday I'm going to be back up at Hemlock I think, my brother wanted to go then.

Oh and here is the bit...
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I thought it was pretty funny too.

Edit: I was just thinking, the throttle is included in that right hand control, the switches, lever perch, mirror holder, etc is all on the one.. So it probably isn't the best choice. I have the twist grip throttle off the beast, it is self contained.

You're right Jim. I was perusing eBay, and I found several switch assemblies for the left side that would give me the signals, horn button and high / low beam. I'll just use a simple twist grip for the throttle (perhaps yours), and a dirt bike kill switch next to it.

Would you like to take my quad for a day and compare the wiring? I could also give you a handful of parts to try, including the mini atv throttle. I don't have a lot of room here yet, unless we worked in the driveway. That will change soon, since I made good progress on the kitchen today.

Let me know when you're ready for tubes, and I'll get my buddy to round them up (they're cheap). We need to video him installing the tubes while we're at it. He's always happy to help, and I'm always happy to take him riding. :D

Yeah I have the fender and the throttle in my car for you whenever you'd like it.

We'll have to figure something out to compare them, I don't know if I could get that mess of wires straightened out in a day (unless I was really motivated), and I don't want to hold your beast hostage on you :P

I didn't realize your buddy installed the tubes, I figured I'd just get a set like normal, is there any tricks to it? The tubes can probably wait for now though, going to start with the wiring, then the controls.

:)

We can easily proceed with hostage negotiations. :lol: My Beast is just sitting there right now, because the chain is off, and I cannibalized it to help repair T's Beast. I now have all of the parts I need to put it back together, but I have several other projects that need my time right now.

Would you like to start with photos? Feel free to show me an area that's messed up, and I'll show you what it should look like.

Thanks for setting the fender and throttle aside. I'll take the thumb throttle off today for you. :D

Thanks, photos should work, I don't know when I'll get to it, maybe Sunday I'll take some... Thanks.

Just let me know when you want the fender and throttle and I can drop them off.

Derryk, this looks like what I need, I sent the guy an email. http://abbotsford.en.craigslist.ca/mcy/2101137409.html

Awesome price! BTW, that setup was "inspired" by a small Yamaha, IIRC. When you make contact with him, please ask if he has switches, etc as well. His ad says levers, plural.

I think he's counting the thumb throttle lever and the brake lever, but I'll ask if he gives me a call back tomorrow or emails me. Hope I can get this, it was on the Abbotsford craigslist so I shouldn't have as much competition.

I went and picked it up today should work good. I'll probably put it on friday. He also had some brake parts he gave me, he said he was going to throw them out if I didn't want them, I'll see if they're the ones for the beast. No switches though.

You really lucked out with that one. Is it in nice shape?

Yeah it looks good. :)

Do you still need the throttle, or does that assembly include a throttle? I have the mini atv throttle here, and it's decent quality.

This one includes the throttle, thanks :) I think it is the same as the stock setup maybe?

Quite likely the same, I've just never examined it to see if the brake lever was separate from the throttle.

Any more progress on your Beast?