project Blastard (CHINA-BLASTER) IT'S ALIVE
 

I did it, I went out and bought a nasty almost totally stripped blaster frame and will be using it to house the extra 200gy engine I have here.

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Virtually nothing will get done on it until the weather breaks but I may get some things for it in the meantime.
Front wheels/tires(so I can roll it out of my way)
gas tank (needed to get engine clearance right)
swingarm bearings/bushings+bolt
handlebars & clamps/bolts

It's rough but I'll have no fear in cutting into it. :lol:

I think the blasters came with a 520 chain so I'll have to switch over to that and the exhaust will be a concern but the electrical and air filter and making engine mounts will be somewhat easy.



No the engine does NOT just slip in right now :cry:

I'm exited for you. :lol:
Fun project and should be a fun ride.

It will be a fun project but it will also just end up an extra.

I have a tank coming for it and at some point when the weather turns a bit better I"ll get the engine up in there and see if it will clear the tank.

I'll probably let my sister take it out for a ride at some point this summer if I get it done in time.

I she going to be the test rider? It probably be a good low-cost atv for friends and family.

Allen

No she wont be the crash test dummy, thats what I'm for. :lol:


It will be a very good, low cost ATV.
She has never really ridden a quad before she said which sort of shocked me because she has owned small dirtbikes in the past and has ridden around denver up in the mountains when she lived there.

Actually I'll probably sell it a year or so after it is rideable.

Well I still havent went down and registered this thing but I do have a fuel tank now and a chinese atv exhaust pipe is coming for it.

I am looking for another parts blaster also since it is the cheapest way to get parts rather than 1 by 1 parts.Lucky for me that people dont know how to take care of a 2-stroke.

I took the tank out to the garage friday and was eyeing it up and it doesnt stick down below the top frame rails to much so that engine might fit in there easily.

I cant wait till this snow is gone and I can get out and tinker with this.

It should be fun, a nibble little quad with a torquey 4-stroke and electric start.Reverse would be nice but these are so small and light that I can just yank them around.

I know it doesnt look like much now.

Got the title in the works and hope to have it soon.

I got an exhaust for it that will no doubt need to be reworked since it is for the chinese 200cc quads.

The weather is finally getting better (highs in the 40's :lol: ) but I have so many things to do before I can really get into this thing.I'll be stuffing the engine in the frame before to long.

I have to get the wifes bike ready for summer.
Which means taking the engine out, reworking the engine mount and moving all the electrical mounts and repositioning the battery then install the air filter and pipe and retune.

I have a friend with a 200 blaster with a bad motor. He is wanting to do basically the same thing you are doing. I think he wants to find a motor with a reverse gear though.

Seen a 200cc 4-stroke, 4 speed+reverse china engine on EBAY.

heres one 200cc and another 200cc and another 200cc and a 250cc one more 250cc so yeah there are engines out there if you friend wants to do one but I think the fuel tank is going to be close.

I'd like that engine except the 4 speed but reverse would be OK but then again reverse is not really needed on the lightweight blasters.
I can yank a blaster around pretty easily.(my sister might not be able to though)

I'm more excited about having electric start and a nice running 4-stroke in a nimble little blaster frame more than anything.

I'm just using the engine that I have handy but I just might be able to do another one since I had someone tell me tonight he has two non-running blasters he wants to sell.(cheap=$400)

This is really looking like an easy project compared to the one I did back in the 90's.
We have so many more parts out there than before.
I already have an exhaust that should be much easier to fit up.
K&N makes an air filter for just about anything now which was one of the problems I had back in the 90's blaster conversion.
The only real problem I see is engine / fuel tank clearance and the wiring but even wiring is no big deal.

I can get a 520 sprocket for the china engine so I can just run stock blaster #520 chain.

I will have to show hime the engines in the links you provided. He races Dirt track cars and just wants it for a pit bike. I'm sure he can make it fit too. Thanks and keep us up to date on the progress.

Ummm, Well ?
 

Umm, Well, how is this project going anyway TeamCheap ????

Is it alive yet ????? Weather is breaking you know ?

Cheers, Kelly5150

Yeah the weather is finally starting to warm up, 50's is a heat wave for me.

I have to go get a parts blaster this weekend and then I have to get to work on the wifes bike then this project will be worked on in full.

It will happen, I did something like this back in the nineties to a blaster but I used a honda 200sx engine but this looks to be even easier to do because there are just more parts out here.

I already have the exaust for it(may need to be modded/gutted) and K&N makes filters for everything now not like back in the nineties.

I'll most likely post the build on my site so at some point when I have a decent update that is where the pics will be.

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Cool,
hope it all happens soon for ya, and oh yeh, the wife too, so you can have something of hers to ride . :lol:
Were just evil that way !
My Gal has yet to but part one for her SUNL , because I have bought everything I sudgest her to buy before she gets a chance to do it ?
SHe doesn't know it yet, but I just got her a Pipe and Muffler and a Performance CDI last night off E-Bay too . Since i have the other race bike , I want hers to be a clone of my SUNL so we can compaire them when racing eachother . Plus I want to be able to gloat when I smoke her and tell her that they are actually the same bikes , which they are now . :lol:

Nice Web-site by the way , just browsed over it. Looks like a very cool spot to ride you got on your site with the sand and all .

That blaster ought to be cool, and soooo easy to fix up nicely . Will probably suck your bank account up a little but oh well .

Good luck with the Web-site, hope it works out as well as Frostbites is working out for him . Maybe you could eventually make some money from advertizing too ? Not that your probably doing it for that reason, but the potential is there .

Later, Pit-Bike build time, its Saturday here and Kelly is VERY VERY VERY excited to finally get his rims and brakes on this bike and ride today or tommorrow. I hope :(

Cheers, Kelly5150 out

The chinablaster is just an extra, uneeded (:lol: extra credit) toy that will just be a fun project.(might let my sister ride it-if it's safe enough)
Right now I have about $450 into it and I doubt I'll spend much over $600 total unless I start putting tires/aluminum rims, hydraulic brakes and aluminum parts all over it.

The wife has her raptor 350 so she's got a fun ride and her bike will be a lot better soon.
She can stick right behind me when I'm on my bike and she is on her quad except for the real real tight winding trails and the long whooped out sections.
she still stinks at mud crossing on the quad though. :lol:

My wife gets mad everytime I buy some parts but oh well. :roll:

yeah thanks for the comments on the web-site.
I was going to go all chinese but then I thought DUH dont want to compete with chinariders and even more so we have a mix of toys so I went a bit more general.
That site is fun but it has only just started and I can see so many changes that will happen over time.

That logo picture is of a small sand hill near ST.helens (mi) and I was on her LF200GY because mine was down at the time.(I look like a bear wearing a white tee-shirt riding a mini bike :lol: )
It would climb the hills but it took most of what it had to do it.
I want to take my bike back up there this year and run around to see how it handles it since mine has noticeably more power and just does better than the stock bikes did in the sand.

My parts so far plus the 200cc china engine that is not in the picture.
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I am going to try and use that exhaust form a china quad but it will need to be reworked to fit.

I was doing a little measuring and it will be a tight fit for the china engine.

Say T.C. Are those yellow shocks dual rate or different spring rate than the white ones...could be a good set of shocks.They look identical to my warrior shocks(pre load adjust?), and probably were some back yard mech's cheap susp. hop up years ago... Is the rear end preload and compression adjustable with a remote rez???

Just wonderin' :?:

They look like dual rate springs and the rear is the same just bigger, no remote reservoir.
I like them and will most likely use them.
The almost complete roller is a 2001 and I need to get it titled or else I'll be stuck using the other chassis.

This project has me a bit excited since it is so close and should be a lot of fun when done.

Nimble blaster with cheap easy to get parts everywhere.
4-stroke (good for just putting around on and torque-E :lol:)
electric start (maybe kicker back up)

I enjoyed the new blaster I bought back in 89 but now I just dont care for 2-strokes and would rather have a bike that can just pull its way thru stuff without having to rev up to several thousand rpms first.

I posted my project plan on ATVfan forums a long time ago and of course there were people just dead set against it like it was some sort of Sacrilege to put a china engine in a jap quad. :roll:
yeah so I'm gonna do it anyway. :lol:

Right on...Good on ya bud.

I have been out of it for some time, and I have missed your posts I would love to see more pic's just keep bilding them.

PS. No more vivas, but still have 2 motors left over that need a home like a nice honda xr or quid

There is a yamaha big wheel 200 you know the ones with the atv tires no engine in it on EBAY just looking for someone who will care for it. :lol:

Possibly a fun project.1985 yamaha big whel bw 200/350

I am sending a PM.

Allen

WHEW what a day I had to go thru.

I decided to try and get the title for the second parts blaster today while at work.

3 stops later its all set.

The first stop I didnt have ALL the sellers info.(DOH)
The second stop was to drop off the paper work with ALL the needed info.
The final stop had me nervous but I didnt see any sheriffs cars in the parking lot so I went in and it cleared WHEW.

It had to go thru a title search to see it is was stolen which always makes me nervous.I didnt think is was stolen or else I would never have bought it in the first place but you just never know.



SOOOOO let the cutting begin. :lol: :lol:

So I was just messing around on the net looking for sprockets for this project and so far I guess I'll need to look for a #520 size counter sprocket that has a shaft size of 17(maybe 17.5)/5/20 but I will actually have to double check to make sure of what I have.

I guess the engine has a ratio of.....1st gear 2.769:1 (who REALLY knows what the chinese have stuck in there- :roll: :lol: )
and the stock blaster has a ratio of 1st gear 3.091:1

The blaster sprockets stock are 13/40 - #520
I think I'll start off with a 12/40 I could probably get away with 13/40 but I dont want it to fast just fun and reliable.
(This is a friends and family quad 8O )

I want all new chain/sprockets on it and I need them to get it all lined up correctly.

I still need to play with the numbers a lot but I'm rushed this morning.
(got to take mom shopping - she's a riot :lol: )

I did some cutting today and got the engine slid in the frame.
Many obstacles to overcome like the carb hitting the botttom of the fuel tank(expected) and the need to cut the two diagonal frame members.

It is going to be a fun, challenging project.
I'll shim the tank up if I need to but first I need to get my chain/sprockets and get the major frame cut done and out of the way since it is keeping the engine from settling properly.
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The carb is tight and will give me a lot to think about. :lol:
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Well imageshack is down and looks out for good so I'm trying photobucket which seems to work well.

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what frame is that quad ?
and engine ,
also what gave you the desire to do a challenge project, you've got alot of work ahead of you.
thanx for the pics
DD

It is a yamaha blaster.

TC, will the kick start still be functional? Looks alittle tight in the area.

Allen

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and the air hose to carb looks abit challenging

He will have some work to do, but it will be a fun reliable ride when done.

Allen

I doubt it, it doesnt look like it will be useable but it's not really even close to where it will be sitting so I'll just wait and see.

I most likely wont be using the stock airbox but instead a K&N filter but which one?(doesnt matter right now)

I'm looking at different intake manifolds to see how I can reposition the carb.(I may have one that will work but I'll have to measure it out first)

I'll have to make a rock guard for under the frame to protect the engine that will sitting as low as I can get it.

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I'm thinking I can use that chain I just need to clean the rust off of it and soak it in oil for a few weeks. :lol: :lol:
(actually I'll probably have to cut it off with the torch)

This is about how I'll have to adjust the frame to get the engine to fit a little better.
The engine is also sitting slightly to the left but I cant really locate until I have a chain and sprocket set for it and replace the swingarm bushings/bolt.
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With a 12T CS I'll have the engine sitting so low to where the chain will just clear the swingarm pivot.

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i remember back in the early 70's , guy's used to remake , modify, frames to fit an engine or change the suspention, yur bringing back old memories, keep the pics coming :)
DD

I got some more grinding, cutting and welding(chinese style :lol: ) done today.


I can now drop the engine in there any where I want it and just have to wait for parts now.
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After measuring I think I can use the manifold I found but wont know for sure until it gets here.
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So there isnt much room for the carb just yet as you can see in that picture but I hope the intake I have found will drop the carb downand over to the side just enough.
So I need :

a 12t #520 counter sprocket
a blaster chain set
and most likely I'll just buy a blaster swingarm bearing kit.

After I get all those parts I should be able to atleast get the engine mounts done then it all down hill.

:?: or since your cutin and weldin, cut that cross brace out , move it up an inch or two, or lower it, the one right behind the carb, just a thought , and you've probly went there already, and did'nt want to go there

Yeah I was eyeing that up but those two cross braces right there hold the upper shock mount so I wont disturb them if I dont have to.

Right now its on hold until I get some parts in.

My hope is that the intake manifold I bought will put the carb in a much better spot.

Ummm
 

Umm if you don't want to cut that out like the DesertDog sudgested ( me too would start cutting ) they do make complete 90* intake manifolds you know ? Problem solved, your motor sits soooo far back in that frame it wouldn't effect your legs either .
Just a thought .

Although if worst came to worse it looks like you can weld just fine and changing those shock strutts will not be an issue if they are welded good. JMHO.
Looks good, glad to see your doing her ! :lol:

Cheers, kelly5150 out

I got sort of an S shaped intake coming that I hope puts the carb down and over in the clear but I wont know how it will work until it gets here.
This to me is about the best option as it should lower the carb enough to clear everything but I do wonder how a 4.5-5" long intake will affect tuning, if at all.
There are also different style carbs that I might be able to use but i dont like them with their electric chokes.

If it comes down to cutting those crossmembers out then out they will go and I'll just have to rebuild the mount.

I also have some sprockets on the way for the engine which will help me locate the engine and set the mounts.

I still have to rebuild the swingarm pivot bushings/bearings as those have to be tight to get the chain lined up correctly and all thats in there is a steel rod right now :roll: .
I got to look and see whats useable out of all my parts for the swingarm but I may just go and buy a new bearing set for it.

Good choice on the new nearing idea
 

Good choice on the new bearing idea. Don't mess around with that part of the suspension, do it right, or it will do you !

Having an "S" shape intake will only slow the first initial gasp of air it chokes into the carb, after that , the "S" restriction from its turn will act like backpressure and make a Venturi effect rather than bog it down , so you should be good to go . Should not be a problem at all. It is knida like the guys that rough up there intake ports to swirl the gas around a bit more, which causes backpressure too and even atomizes the gas even further, equals better burn . Your Golden man !!!!

Later, Cheers and good luck on the new parts, hope they get there soon :lol: Don't you just hate waiting ? I do ! Then if the wrong part shows up, I go into deep depression . Or if the right part shows and it doesn't fit because we over thought the idea to start with, that is even worse . I have come up with a nice little vocabulary in my garage at times after tearing into my order boxes :lol:

Kelly out

I remember a buddy of mine had a Trials 80 Yamaha. The carb on that thing was right up gainst the jug. I think that was one of the ways they improved the torque on that little engine. You could put the front tire up against a tree and let the clutch out and back tire would just start turning.
Loads of torque.

I call that my "magic chant of cuss words" tool ( sadly its the only tool I can always find in my tool box).

I havnt looked over the swingarm bearings I have just yet but I am leaning towards all new ones just so I know its all good.

Yeah I dont expect to much trouble from a long intake just some tuning needed should ba all I just hope it solves the problem.
I'm more concerned with the leverage it will have and the bouncing around with the weight of the carb and filter on it but I may just make a support bracket and end that probelm also.

Well some parts are on the way.

2 front sprockets
1 S shaped intake
and a swingarm bearing set

I also have a CDI unit coming and will most likely try it on this once it is up and running.

I still have a lot of parts to get but I'll take it a little at a time.