New Bike in Upstate, NY!! BROZZ
 

I bought a Kymoto XPD something or other from Motosports, which I thought was a Storm, but what was shipped is a Brozz branded Bashan
BS250GY-18C with the gold inverted forks. Full LED tach, speedo, odo, light indicators, gear indicator and it is a great bike. It even has a remote start and alarm.. I couldn't be more pleased with the bike. I got it today around 1130am and was riding it by 6 with some help from a long time friend and motorcycle enthusiast. Now to see if I'll have trouble registering it in New York... I'll post pics soon.

Steve:clap:

Ya thats a real nice bike. Your the only person I know of who's got one. Very lucky. The bike should be a breeze to reg as Its EPA and DOT approved. I have a bike made by the same guys and it reged with no problems. How about some pic's. I would love to see it from all angels. I would take that over the Storm any day. Welcome to the forum.

I just found out who the distributor is, coincidentally, just this morning, for the Brozz. While they claim they don't sell directly to consumers, I wonder if they will sell parts? If not, I have a friend who is a licensed distributor/retail dealer coincidentally in the City of Industry where Jass is located who can get the parts.

http://www.kandiusa.com/contact.php

http://www.kandiusa.com/product_list.php?id=270

So you thought you were getting a "x" bike and they sent a" y" ? What was the price , send pics of the dash console. Strange

We need a full review ! ! ! With pics, your the first afaik

OK, this is the bike you THOUGHT you were getting...

http://www.motobuys.com/enduro-dirt-bike-db-08.html

Motobuys has a funny way of renaming their bikes; they take old, defunct brands, and name current product under those names--Jetmoto, Lancer, Kymoto, Vento, etc.

The RPS Hawk comes under two brands according to the world of motobuys:

Lancer:
http://www.motobuys.com/lancer-enduro-250.html

Vento:
http://www.motobuys.com/vento-hen-enduro-250cc.html

$20 difference in price, too!

I should have asked--what size wheels are on the Brozz? According to all sources, they come with 19"/16" vs. the Storm's 21"/18" setup

Welcome! Thanks for joining us.

That's quite a high price [$1875]. Other sites have them listed for as low as $1400. But then again the other sites don't have any to sell. keep us up to date on the Brozz. I think there's lots of people interested on this forum.

Worth the money
 

I looked at the Storm on Safer Wholesale and it was only a hundred or so dollars less than this bike, but they also wanted to charge me $49 for residential delivery and an extra $60 in shipping because I live in NY. The motobuys price of $1875 shipped to my garage door, was actually a bit cheaper. Add to that the fact that they shipped me a much better bike than the Storm and I think it's a win for me. I put 100 miles on it going slow and changed the oil for the second time and realized that despite the struggles of some folks to get their Storms to go faster than 50MPH, this bike goes 60 on flat ground with plenty to spare. I'm unwilling to push it wide open until I have some more miles and routine maintenance behind me, but it must go 70+. Simply put, I love this bike and it was worth the money. The digital cluster is nice and bright and it has all the basic features of any decent road bike. It's a very tall bike.. I didn't measure it but I'm 6' 1" and it's literally got me on my toes. I'm going to start another thread with some better pics as soon as I can. Despite my intention to document the whole process and become a youtube sensation, the bike took all of my attention to assemble and get street tested. I will probably do a short video of the bike and features soon... Also.. No signed MSO yet.. I'm bummed it didn't come with the bike. Calling them today to see when that's coming..

Yes, Kandi is the distributor here's a direct link to the exact bike
 

Culcune is right. Kandi is the distributor. As far as I know they have them in stock in all colors. You just need to find a retailer or dealer to get one.

Here's my exact bike on the Kandi/Jass site

http://www.kandiusa.com/product_veh.php?id=355

I just got off the phone with my friend at Excalibur, and he had no idea Kandi even carried enduros. He will get me a price. I am glad to see you are enjoying the bike and find it a good deal so far. Could you let us know the rear sprocket teeth count and the wheel sizes? They do look smaller than the the common 21"/18" f/r most dirt bikes come with, so that could be a concern for some (the Storm has the common 21"/18" setup) who don't like 'oddball' size wheels/tires.

:yay:

Tires are 19"f/17"r. Not sure what the sprocket tooth count is, I'll have to count them when I get back to where the bike is.

Man, that's a good lookin' bike. Let us know when you put a youtube video up.

Peace sports has red and green in stock for $1500 shipped but they don't have inverted forks?? http://www.peacesports.com/newsite/p.../bs250gy-18c/#
looks like maybe a storm with bozz decals.

Where are you getting the info on pricing and such from Peace? I was under the impression that Peace is a importer/distributor and not a retailer.



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I don't know if I'm off my rocker but the pictures on the Kandi website look like two different bikes. I see subtle changes in the fuel tank etc. Typical for the China stuff we deal with.


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I emailed them and they told me they wholesale only and it would come in crate and require assembly. I figured that to begin with. So they can sell them to us.

Cool, Peace has a lot of scooters and bikes on the market.



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Their price is much lower than what my friend can get it for. However, Peace is no longer the distributor, so these are probably closeout pricing of older model year bikes (hence the non-inverted forks). I would take advantage if I were you! Are they shipping to you, or are you local to them?

This is the answer to my question regarding the differences between the Shark and the Brozz to the North American rep for Bashan:

"The basic frame of the brozz and shark is almost the same.
Plastic Cover parts are the main difference and Brozz has Inverted front shocks, Shark has normal front shocks.
Inverted Shocks is better than normal shocks.
They have the same speedomeeter.

That's why Brozz is higher price than Shark.
Thanks
Matthew"

That was shipped. She said they are wholesale only so don't have a local place. Its one of those they never even touch the product type places. I haven't pulled the trigger yet because you can get a Storm from Super Scooter(when they get them back in stock) for $1400 shipped and I don't see any difference between it and the Brozz. Maybe the gearing is different?? I wish the guy that started this thread would give us a review but he's prob too busy riding it. lol

I would wait and get the Storm... the Storm has a real rear brake after all :hehe:

Quick update
 

Sorry I haven't updated much.. Still waiting on the MSO and although I may or may not have borrowed a plate for testing purposes, I haven't ridden it since the last time I posed. I have all the paperwork in order and cash for DMV, but no MSO. Once that's done I'll be able to take the bike out for real and do some kind of review and collect some data on it. For now it's sitting in my buddy's garage 17 miles from where I live :doh: They did say up to 14 days for the MSO when I ordered, so I have to give it til Wednesday before I wig out and start burning minutes...

Funny stuff
 

Too bad it doesn't go fast enough to need it....:p

Might not be "fast enough for them" but Drum Brakes have been outdated for many many years now...

First signs of Disk style brake designs started way back in the 1890's... was in "mass production for vehicles" in the mid 1950's by Citroen... so why is it we still have them sh***y Drum Brakes on things in 2016 I ask you :hehe:

I really don't like working on Drum Brakes is all... Like I said... I would save the $$ and get the Storm with real brakes, if you like to work on Drum Brakes, by all means pay more for the Brozz/Shark with the super sweet Digit Dash :p

We could start a thread on drum versus disk but here's a few thoughts;
They have about three times the surface area of pads and thus last a lot longer.
No fading or warping when it gets hot.
They are mostly waterproof so you don't loose braking in the wet.
Easily adjusted.
All machanical linkage. No bleeding, no fuss.

No disrespect intended but some like rear disks because they look cool and think they are more modern but for the speeds we run (like SANY said) they are not needed and shoes are carefree.

I agree on the rear drum brakes, they work just fine on these bikes. How much do you rely on the rear brake anyway? One of my China bikes has a drum rear and one a disk, both work just fine.

A decent amount actually with all the high speed runs and off road hills/trails I ride on, you use the rear brake and engine braking a decent amount and the front brake never gets touched going down a rocky dirt hill... I also get up over 70 - 80 miles per hour while riding my little China Bike, front and rear disk brakes are my friend the way I ride my little 197 :hehe: YMMV :lmao:

And there is no rear brake cylinder sticking down just where a rock can take it out. I like the 11 inch's of clearance my drum gives me.

Your 18in rear tire on the 07K probably helps a bit too for that 11 inches, I think both the Brozz/Shark 250 and my Bashan 'WILL 200' have 17in tires in the rear, it would be interesting to see how much "clearance" is lost on same tire size but Drum vs Disk brake set up, and that goes for "All braking parts clearances" including the Brake Pedal/Pivot points, mounting hardware, swing arm style/design, Drum/Disk/Caliper/etc. heights/widths :hmm:

It's all personal preference... and when something goes bad in a Drum... I hate working on them and would rather not own them is all I was saying... to each their own after all ;)

I would like a rear disk but I think it lame to have the rear brake cylinder sticking down so low. So its good your happy with your bikes brakes and the same goes with me. If I could have I would have bought the same bike you have with the low brake cylinder or not. (really nice bike) As you know I tried. Right now I have much bigger problems to deal with on my CB. :cry:

Brake Debate
 

I don't mind working on the drum brakes if something happens, which tends to be rare. Let us not forget that the bike I ordered was a storm, branded as a Kymoto XDP. The bike I received was the Brozz, which left me with a choice. My first instinct when I noticed the drum brake was to flinch just a little, but I gave the bike a look over and did a little research on the Brozz. As it turns out the Brozz meets several vital criteria for me, the first being that it is street legal in NY. Secondly, the reviews and threads that I read all said that this was a good bike, with a taller seat height, faster top speed(which I can vouch for and will demonstrate when I'm street legal) and full LCD digital gauges, and the 2016 18C has the inverted forks, which I require. So there I was with a bike that had many features that were missing from the storm, and only one negative; the drum brake. Then I remembered being a kid zipping around on 2 stroke 125's in the woods back in my day when drum brakes were what you had and never had a single failure other than normal wear. I also looked closely at the position of the cylinder on on the storm and read that a few guys had issues with that. And I though it would be much cheaper to upgrade the rear brake than to upgrade all the other stuff that is standard on the Brozz, so I kept it, put it together, rode it, loved it and I have not one regret.. You have to remember that this bike will maybe go 70 on flat ground and I'll never run it WOT except maybe once to check top speed, so it's a non-issue.

I believe the trepidation in regard to drum brakes comes from the way they are on a car or truck. There are a crap ton of springs and everything has to go together just right for it all to work. Not so with the ones on these CBs. They are pretty simple in construction and very reliable. On this site, I can't recall anybody asking for help because of a problem with a rear drum brake.

...vs. all the threads over the years regarding issues with Chinese disc brakes!

I was a little surprised you were willing to pay Motobuy's price for the Storm, but I do understand that everything seems to cost more in NY, or shipping to NY. The Brozz and the Shark are supposed to be Bashan's 'premium' bikes, so my guess is they (Motobuys) knew they aren't drop-shipping Storms, but do know that that bike is in great demand, hence their premium price. Like I mentioned regarding their re-naming bikes, that helps keep it vague if anyone was to complain. The discount outlet that someone found selling both the Brozz and the Shark charges $279/bike for shipping, and they mention that several places will cost more to ship to, including NY.

http://www.powersportsmax.com/index.php/cPath/482

You nailed it right there... I've been working on vehicles for well over 20 years... serviced plenty of cars/trucks with drum brakes over the years... never liked it personally...

I have owned a few vehicles over the years with drum brakes too... and again... I never liked it when it was time to service things...

But that's my fault for keeping things for several years and several hundred thousand miles. You have to work on everything at one point or another as father time goes by :lmao:

Yep, if I had got this bug 6 months later than i did last winter I would have that brozz too . But my bike is one of those "good enough " bikes till the csc rx4 450cc dream bike.

NY is expensive
 

I paid a lot, even for NY. I went through Motobuys because they deliver. I had originally bought a Hawk, but read that NY put an end to their street use, so I cancelled that order and the guy from Motobuys called Kandi to check on which bikes were already proven street worthy in NY and recommended their Kymoto XDP.. AKA the 18C... The bike shipped from Cali and was here 4 days later. I called about the MSO and an actual helpful person answered the phone, answered my questions and was super helpful. These thing all add value. I have read far too many nightmare stories of people buying from unreliable sources with no support and I didn't want to eld up like that. Also, all these guys are talking about this bike being 1400 dollars... well there might be some people offering them for that much, but try getting one from them at that price delivered from one coast to the other. The first time I meet somebody who got this bike for $1400 will be the day I start feeling bad about overpaying

Thanks for clarifying--I know people on here get certain prices stuck in their head, and don't realize once a bike sells out, it either takes months to get a few more, and then sells out and is gone for good, or NEVER comes back. The $1400 Storm might not be anymore, even if dealers keep teasing with "a few months." The first time I saw it was with a brand called Hibird. They had the first enduro over 200cc available for the mass-market. It took Chinariders by storm (pun intended)! They were selling like hotcakes for $1100, shipped. Then, they ran out. Never to be seen again. The importer/dealer got a container of 200cc bikes, identical to the 229cc version, charged $1200, and promptly sold out. Then there were none.

Ironically, a year or so later, the dealer started selling a 229cc enduro by a brand called Hensim, which, too, promptly sold out. It would take a few more years to see Hensims again--now called the Hawk.

History keeps repeating itself, and sometimes members have to resign to paying more, which, ironically, is only a few hundred bucks more in most cases. Heck, I keep seeing the once-$1200 Hawk now selling for $1400+, and that bike needs work out of the box (sprocket, carb, exhaust, etc) to compare with other bikes, namely Bashan.

Quick Video Walk Around
 

OK.. because I know somebody will call me on this.. The odometer reads just under 20 miles, so it appears as though I may have exaggerated a bit in an earlier post when I said I put 100 miles on it.. I guess, because I didn't know how many miles I rode... but it felt like a hundred, I swear!! I also cut off the S at the end of the DualSports stickers that came with for the fork guards.

https://youtu.be/GxEbaMeK3AU