Chinese Dual Sports Comparison
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Has anyone ever compiled a list of the differences between the many Chinese dual sports available? To be more specific the physical & licencing differences between the Brozz, Enforcer, Hawk, Magician, Stallion, Storm & TT250 along with any others bikes I missed. Some things I would like to know are:
Make? Model? Cost? Engine Manufacturer? Engine Size? Counter Balanced? Transmission? USD Forks? Wheel Sizes? Kick-starter? Electric Start? Tire Type (knobby, dual or street)? Brakes? Adjustable Suspension? Weight? Seat Height? Cargo Rack? DOT Approved? EPA Approved? CARB Approved? |
Added a few things to my list... hope you don't mind
Bashan "WILL" 200 (DB-03-R) Cost of Bike? ~$1,400 Engine Manufacturer? Lifan (197cc engine / 164FML Lifan) Transmission? 5 speed Manual Counter Balanced? Yes USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 19" Front & 17" rear (90/90-19 & 110/90-17) (1.85x19 & 2.15x17) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? 80% Street Biased "Dual Sport" Tires DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? 49 State Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 2 piston calipers, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds / Modified bike ~255 pounds Seat Height? ~30 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No Front / Rear Sprocket? 17t / 56t Carb? "Keihin" PZ30 (not a real Keihin... decent copy... can't find Pilot Jet) Spark Plug? "NGK" Copper (not a real NGK... not even a good copy) Instrument Cluster? Analog, in Kilometers (off/slow over 15%), Neutral/Turn/Bright Lights Indicator Lights... No Tachometer, No Fuel Gauge, No Current Gear Indicator Fuel Tank Size? ~2.1 gallons, no reserve on petcock... just "ON" or "OFF" settings "Catalytic Converter"? Yes, 2 of them in the Header Pipe... 1 inside the "Egg" that is under the heat shield and 1 just before the Muffler/Mid Pipe ~~~~~~~ Aftermarket Stuff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Trail Tech Vapor? Yes ~$112 installed, Digital, in Miles (dead accurate for almost any rim/wheel size), Tachometer, Ambient Air and Engine Temperature Sensors Carb? Yes ~$30, "Mikuni" VM26 Exhaust Header? No (due to frame design) Exhaust Muffler? Yes ~$130, FMF Turbine Core II 1-1/4 inch Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Possible... |
Bashan Enforcer
Engine Manufacturer? No idea Stock Carburetor: Kei Hin (Japan) Counter Balanced? No Stock Instrument Cluster? KPH, analog/dial type USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 21" Front and 18" rear Stocker Sprocket: 17/46 teeth count (front/rear) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes, with Remote Start Key Fob Tire Type? Knobby, mostly Dirt DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? Yes, 49 State [/B]Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 1 piston caliper, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds Seat Height? 34 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable, mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No, but it has 4 bolts on rear fender where a rack could/should go Stock Accessories? Comes with stock "Burrito" Tube. |
CARB is California's anal retentive one-state extra runaround that manufacturers have to go through in order to sell bikes in the state of California. The TT250 IS California CARB certified. So is SSR's XF 250. The rest of the 'usual suspects' of enduros are not.
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Bashan Blaze
Engine Manufacturer? Not sure, but I believe Lifan Counter Balanced? Yes USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 18"/21" Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? Off Road Biased "Dual Sport" Tires DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? 49 State Brakes? Front and Rear Drum, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Not sure, I believe just over 300lbs Seat Height? ~33 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable Mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Yes Hope you don't mind me cribbing the format from you Azhule! |
I can see this thread becoming a Sticky. Great idea! I'll add some Brozz info unless someone beats me to it. Also, if the previous posters don't mind adding some info, I think it's a good idea to add the stock gear sizes, analog/digital gauge cluster, and which carburetor the bike comes factory equipped with, in each listing. These are areas that most people mod and could be a deciding factor when purchasing a bike.
(Initial cost vs the cost of the mods) |
Once all the raw data is here in one place I was planning on putting it all together in a spreadsheet and then saving it and posting it as a jpeg for easy viewing. I agree that once it is completed it should be a sticky. It will make it a lot easier for people to decide on which bike for what purpose. Thanks for all the help so far!
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Hawk 250
Engine Manufacturer? Counter Balanced? No USD Forks? NO Wheel Sizes? 21" Front & 18" Rear Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? Knobbie DOT Approved? No CARB Approved ? No |
The hawk is not CARB or DOT approved just EPA.
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SSR XF250
http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/enduro/xf250.php Engine Manufacturer? QingQi Counter Balanced? No Displacement: 249cc OHC USD Forks? Yes with dampening adjustment. Wheel Sizes? 18 front 17 rear- dual sport tires (dual sport) 17 front 17 rear- street tires (supermoto) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? see above DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? Yes - 50 state approval Brakes? Front and Rear disk, braided lines Weight? 328 lbs Seat Height? 35 inches Rear Shock? Gas mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Yes |
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But how can it be lice sensed if not DOT approved , just asking ? |
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If CT does not want my money I will gladly give it to a state that does. |
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Here in Florida it took me all of 18 minutes to get my TT 250 licensed and titled. I've never been in and out of the Tag Office so fast. You can also add that the TT has a 300 watt stator and two switched auxiliary power ports as well.
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As tempting as it is seeing the Brozz, Sharks, Hawks, Enforcers and all the bikes here going for dirt cheap, (and being sold and shipped from here!) we get used to having fewer, more expensive choices.....but we're still not as expensive as our friends to the north! ;-) |
I have a 1971 corvette that I'm fairly certain anyone who is driving behind me is getting brain damage. Cars are very clean nowadays.
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I'll never forget sitting in the backseat of the car, with the windows up and A/C on "for our own good", because there was a stinky, smoky diesel bus ahead....with my mom smoking a cigarette hot-boxing the whole cab. |
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All the kids piled in the back of the 71 dodge slant 6 with 3 on the tree. (millennials might need that translated) |
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Somebody had to!
Somebody had to mention the El Camino! I knew this guy that used to sing this song about the El Camino. Here's how it goes:
El Camino, El, El Camino The front is like a car The back is like a truck The front is where you drive The back is where you... El Camino, El, El Camino Almost makes you want to go out and buy one! |
https://youtu.be/gffPeF7ZRl0
https://youtu.be/5C6NxgHgMVM https://youtu.be/S5yt0gXLkh0 So many songs about the Camino and most are country. :) |
And the winner is....
Ok, I listened to all 3 songs and I think the best song is...the one on top! The one in the middle was ok, but the bottom one scared me a little! :cry:
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I'd take a Subaru Brat over an El Camino anyday
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I couldn't handle the power of a Subaru Brat. They have been known to throw people off of those backwards seats in the bed.
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This thread has gotten a wee bit off track. Here is what I have so far. Red is missing information. Orange is my assumption and needs verification.
Please if anyone can help me fill in the holes, confirm suspicions or add more bikes it would be greatly appreciated! Still Need Brozz, Magician, Stallion & Storm |
Make: Bashan
Model: Brozz Cost: $1395.00 Engine: Engine Size: 230cc Counter Balanced: Yes Transmission: 5 speed USD Forks: Yes Wheel Size: 19" & 17" Kick Start: Yes Electric Start: Yes Tire Type: Dual Sport Brakes: Front Disc Rear Drum Adjustable suspension: Front No Rear Yes Weight: 257 lbs Seat Height: 34.5 Cargo Rack: Yes DOT Approved: Yes EPA Approved: Yes CARB Approved: No Fuel Tank 2.4 Gal How can I determine Engine Manufacture? |
Need to add the Magician and gas tank size for all.
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I believe you could refer to the platform behind the passenger seat on the TT250 as a rack.
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Can someone that own the csc tt250 and the enforcer verify the seat height ?
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Correction: TT250 is now 2195.00
TT250 seat height - 34" according to CSC. SSR XF250 counterbalance shaft - No SSR XF250 Retail price on their website 3099.00. Can be found for 2799 most any website so take yer pic. |
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