X-PRO RXE dual-sport
 

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This bike is now shipping with a counterbalanced Zongshen motor in it! I contacted PSM via email and it is confirmed. The bike is $1249.00 and looks to be a copy of the Hawk. Seems like and insanely good deal. Can any of you comment on this? I have an itch to put one on layaway.

I wonder why they show what looks like a non-counterbalanced engine in the picture.

It's another Hawk clone, complete with standard front forks.

I emailed PSM and asked them that exact question, Zora said they haven't updated the website pictures but the new RXE ship with the counterbalanced Zongshen motor.

those front forks are the biggest selling point for me. one must bend to the will of the bike, not vice versa. he he he he :yay:

What's wrong with inverted forks? They are stiffer (much less flex), and the triple clamp needs to be bigger, so stronger and stiffer as well. Inverted forks are ubiquitous on all major brands now. The inverted forks are better for heftier riders, support the extra weight with less frame/fork flexing. That will improve ride, better controllability...

Also, this RXE also has the box steel swingarm with those cheap pullback hoops with stamped plates which constantly drop down when you are trying to adjust the rear axel. Solid axel slot with a pushback axel adjuster are stronger and easier to work with. OK, so bikes that have them cost a few hundred more. Worth it!

Bashan Storm is still available with the inverted forks (about $1600), It has the boxed steel swingarm but at least it has a stiffer front end. Check it out.

nothing i was just goofing around.

The Storm may have the standard box tubing rear swingarm, BUT the Brozz has a much nicer, and we'll built swing arm. I honestly don't know why people were buying the TT when the Brozz was available. When I was looking at buying a Chinese dual sport a few years ago, I wasn't willing to chance not being able to register a bike that didn't have the Federal Highways placque, and the Hawk DLX, and the Brozz, both had it, and were both the same price shipped. I chose the Brozz, and still would if doing it again, and in my opinion the Brozz was the best of the CG dual Sports, at least the ones that I know of. I would choose a new Brozz I've a new TT, because of the swingarm being so much better. I don't know why the TT never went with a better swingarm.

have you guys noticed the swing arm on the new Honda 150 dual sport?

Not an option
 

Those of us that live in Commiefornia don't have that choice. Additionally, CSC's customer service has been top notch. I've been very pleased with buying from them, particularly considering I got my bike when it was $1,995 +tax, set-up, and DMV.

And counterbalanced engine too. And a nice rack. We only sold the Bashan Storm because my son wants a Templar M with a 20 hp engine, and a flat seat. The adjustable levers, big bearclaw footpegs and dual front pistons are nice too. And the Templar frame geometry, and beefy top gooseneck/triple clamps. Nice.

What's the MSRP on that Honda? Wait, what!? over $3000?!

It looks just like a Hawk. It's uncanny.

The Hawk is a clone of a 150-160cc Honda dual sport sold in S. America.

That bike, with a couple of changes, is now being sold in N. America.

Hence the uncanny looks between the 2.

Honestly, I would spend the extra money for the Honda, despite the engine being smaller, because it also makes the actual HP it's rated for. That 150cc is every bit as capable of the same top speed as a CG250 powered Hawk or similar.

They say that them Honda XR150L bikes are closer to $4,000 by the time you pay dealer fees. I know that the QC is going to be tighter, and they do probably have a better higher revving motor, though smaller displacement, but still not worth it to me. I also don't trust very many YouTube reviews of the bike. Honda has " buttered up" most of the more popular channels. Adventure Daily had some videos of the Brozz a couple years ago, and really liked it, but in the past year, since Honda flew them, and several YouTube content creators to California, and basically wined, them, and dined them, and basically gave them at minimum a nice luxury vacation, well now the little Honda XR150L is something special, and as Adventure Daily put it, leaps, and bounds ahead of the Chinese Dual Sports, which are all basically the same. They all act like the XR150L, is very capable of it's intended use, but any time a Chinese Dual Sport hater compares a Hawk with another bike, they always want to compare it with something capable of hardcore Enduro. The fact is that the XR150L, is also not nearly in the same league as the bigger Japanese dual spots, BUT they sometimes hint that it is, by referring to it as " Little Brother" to the other bigger Hondas.

Keep in mind, we are looking at the lowest rung on the dual sport totem pole.

Performance is a relative thing. For wrenchin' happy dirt bikers, a 20 hp dirt bike with potential for more with additional mods is pretty darned attractive, no matter where it came from. And the lowly Hawk and brethren are low cost beasts.

Oh, I just noticed the ~8 year old $750 Samsung 4.6 cuft front loader washer a guy gave me when I bought the companion dryer (5.2 cuft!), BOTH made in China. Not Hong Kong, Korea, but China. And they are high end feature filled (steam in the dryer with cold water connection, add clothes minidoor in the washer, and lots of modes!). The washer just needed a pump ($25) and shocks ($50). Cheaper shocks needed to be returned, but these now have another 4-6 good years of service ahead of them. I still can't understand why dock workers kick around these crate bikes. Why not kick around the microwave ovens, stoves and washers too? Somethin' about those motorcycles. Just dunno.

I don't know how it would translate to crank HP, but there is a video of one on a Dyno, and it makes just shy of 11 HP at the wheel, at around 7,500 rpm, and makes at least 10HP from about 6,300- 8,600 rpm. I makes about 8 ft lbs of torque between 5,000, and 7,000 rpm. . I don't know how much a properly jetted , but otherwise stock Hawk, or similar would make on a wheel Dyno.

Your average Hawk, with no mods but a main jet to correct fueling, maybe 12hp. It's not just the peak power that matters though, but where the peak is, and the shape of the power curve. The Honda has a higher peak, and has better power "under the curve." You noted that too in your reply, making 10hp across a wide range at the top of the RPM curve. The Hawks peak about 7000-7500 and nose dive hard after that.

I can see someone that just wants to hop on one, and ride, and never doing any work to the bike themselves, but choosing to have it done in a shop, if needed buying one of these, but the fact that it has what appears to be nearly identical suspension to the base Hawk, Raven, TBR7 would make it nor a good value to me, but I do realize that the motor is FAR more efficient, and economical to operate.
Here is the video, it shows the curves at the end. There are also some were they put a 222cc kit , and more aggressive cam in one. https://youtu.be/g-dXqILPI7A?si=71NXZure_HuAupOs

Y'all discount the forks way too quickly. I will take a set of spaghetti thin KYB forks over the chinese inverted forks every single day of the week.

Not to mention, the flex that the thin standard forks provide isn't actually a bad thing, especially on rough surfaces.

well hawk, templar, raven, tbr7, magician, whatever. thank goodness for Chinabikes! (and layaway)

I much favor my Hawk on gravel, and rougher roads over my KPX, but I think a lot of it is because of my weight, and the fact that I have not attempted to add any extra preload to my front forks. I know that the Hawk has weaker suspension, and rims, but aside from the abuse of my weight, I don't really abuse either bike. My Hawk runs just about as good on open roads now, with the motor warmed up some, and the 17/46 sprockets. I catch myself feeling guilty for wearing it out on the faster, longer runs nowadays, , but I think I must be a creature of habit, and for some illogical reason like the Hawk more, I also liked it more than my TBR7, and it looked better, and was newer.. I will say that the KPX uses noticably less gas than the Hawk, and I need to start using it like I did before warming , and gearing the Hawk up, which was basically using the Hawk for more, but shorter, local, and back road rides, and using the KPX for longer, faster rides, like to other towns.

I like the looks of the Magician, but I would stay away from them. They evidently have way worse welds, and are likely to have leaking gas tanks, and a hard, to get rear sprocket. I don't know about weight capacity, but I know the bikes are smaller, and it's evidently cramped enough to make even gett to the carburetor difficult. I think that is the bike that you have to adjust the idle via a hole in the frame.

Weaker in what sense? My spaghetti forks hold me up just fine, run down the road just fine, and have handled some decent off road without issue. The standard thin forks are a pair of YSS valves away from being better than any inverted china fork on the market short of the fully adjustable units on the more expensive bikes. I've also run with and without a fork brace, and I prefer without when off road, and with when on the street.

The KPX is better on gas because of that fuel injection. If I were to replace my Hawk I would have a KPX tomorrow for that very reason, and the better OHC engine... and the 6th gear.

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I guess it's just the looks of the front forks that may make then seem like they are weak, and while the box tubing rear swing arm could obviously bend if abused, I guess as the bikes age, rust could become an issue, but I would chalk that up to the owner as much as the design. 6th gear on the KPX is not really as high as one may think. I think that with the 17/46 sprockets on the Hawk, and comparing to the stock sprockets on the KPX ( don't know the size), it seems like 1st on the KPX is now a little lower, than 1st in the Hawk, but not by much, and that 6th is about 1/2 a gear higher than 5th on the Hawk. I think the Hawk would run about 70 as easily as the KPX 75. It seems like the KPX feels heavier than the Hawk as well, but I don't really know. I plan on, loosing weight, and I figure that both bikes will have a lot more pep.LOL

me too. i feel the best performance upgrade for my Hawk is me dropping 100lbs heheheh. I know I would feel more steady on the trails and probably be able to hit at least 67.5mph heheheheeh :)

The RXE does look like a nice deal. Assuming that it does come with the counterbalanced version of the engine, the only minor compromises are no engine gaurd and standard forks. Those turn signals look identical to the ones I got on the Storm, and it looks like a good rack. And yup, it's hard to beat that price! The standard Hawk "X" costs over $400 more, but looks so similar and has essentially all the same stuff!