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? about tires
I am thinking of purchasing the Brozz blue eagle well I was like 99% that way. There is one draw back/ deal breaker as I can see and that is tires. The tires listed for the brozz blue eagle are front 90/90/19 and rear 110/90/17. Tires will be the first ting to go. In fact I intended on changing them out as I assembled the bike.
Here is the issue and glad I did some research all i can find is shinko 244's in these sizes or closest size that I can. Am I missing something here with these tire sizes are they just not any "brand name tires" in these sizes? I dont want to buy a motorcycle and have to run the same tires all the time and the china factory ones is a no go for me period. Tire options/ sizes that will work? Thanks for any help. |
I ran kenda's on my hawk. I never worry about higher end brand names when it comes to tires like this. I have run shinkos on several street bikes including some low end track days on a sport bike. I trust them pretty well.
personal choice though. |
What type of tire you looking for? Street? Off Road? Dual Sport?
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The 19/17 combo is mostly for an adventure or dual purpose motorcycle. So you are not going to find as many type of knoobies that you would find on a 21/18 combo.
I also have 19/17 and this is what i run. Plus i agree with what the guy says. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Ep5EHhm8U They are 60 on road 40 off road. If you are going to use the bike 80% of the time off road, then look for a china bike with 21/18 |
Shinko, Kenda, etc...are all good quality tires. I've had no issues with them and they're affordable. I'm currently running the Shinko 700's and love them.
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In fact for the type of riding you want to do, that rim combo will suit you better than 21/18. Gravel and dirt is an easy task for them, even when using dual sport tires. https://www.tacomaworld.com/data/tir...100x90xR19.png Attachment 17457 |
Do you change the tires yourself or take them to a local shop?
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I have about 1500 miles on shinkos 705s i am really impressed with their grip. They do pretty good on hard packed gravel but i would get maybe the 700 for looser stuff.
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Yes I can change my own it is a bitch some times but I can do it. Actually after I thought about it some today. I would probably say that I would do 80/20 on/off road not really into the whole mud thing like I once was either.
I may go down later this week time permitting and take a look at the blue eagle. See what rims come on it and how much room I will have to play with. Looks like I will be very limited in brand and style as of now. I have only found the shinko 244 that will work. If this is the case then the bike will be a no go. Glad I held off on ordering some of my mods in. Thanks for all the help guys. I let you know how it goes. |
Thanks Gronk.
Any nay sayers around using a C-clamp to break the bead ? Youtube can take you down the wormhole in terms of ideas on how to break the bead... I;ve seen crazy McGuyver approaches to the simple approach of beatin it with a hammer. Thanks |
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There are a few bikes that run the 19/17 combo.. but 21/17 or 21/18 are the norm for ADV and Duel sport bikes.. 80/20 tyres... I know they are not cheap but they are out there... Avon Distanzia.. 19 & 17.. Continental TKC70...19 & 17.. Full Bore "USA" … 19 & 17...Shinko 705 copy... <<===================== Metzeler Tourance… 19 & 17.. Metzeler Tourance next... 19 & 17.. Metzeler Karoo 3..19 & 17.. Michelin Anakee 3...19 & 17.. Michelin Anakee Adventure... 19 & 17.. Pirelli Scorpion STR trail.... 19 & 17.. And there is lots more... but the 19 front dose tend to be for the bigger bikes... not meany smaller than 110 .. .. |
I did some research on here read all the tire threads took awhile. SO my rim sizes are
front rim 1.85 OEM tire size 90/90/19 rear rim 2.50 OEM tire size 110/90/17 From what I can take from the posts. Tire size 100/90/19 will fit on the front. Several people sorta wasnt comfortable with this. The rear 120/90/17 will work just fine. Ill give a few bike shops a call tomorrow and see what they have to say. Thanks everyone for the help. |
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Umm ok guys. What gives with local shops refusal to work on Chinese bikes? Called 4 separate shops on this tire issue and as soon as I mention the bike they wouldnt help at all. One shop just hung up! SO I take it if I buy one of these bikes its mine along with any repairs. I am good for the most part with usual maintenance/repairs, tire changes etc.. but if something major happens to the engine then I am screwed.
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I don't tell the local shop what bike the wheels came from, I just take them in and have them mount the tires for me. Doesn't hurt that I have bought several motorcycles and a couple 4 wheelers from them, either, so they know me. I also bought the Shinko 705s from them. |
Just tell them the wheels came off an old Honda SL or XR.
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Ok well I did find a place a local hole in the wall, a mom and pop type shop there main business is working on motorcycles they dont discriminate on brands. I knew they were there but never stopped in and should have. They do good work apparently from the reviews online and have fair prices. To make things even better they actually sale Chinese atv's, gokarts, scooters and bikes on the side. That surprised me because they never have any setting outside or signs. They just sold the last Hawk last week so I will have to wait until after the 4th to see one in person.
SO I am set if something comes up I cant handle. I am pretty good but no where as good as some of you guys. No way I could port a engine or do any tearing into a engine. Also electrical gives me a fit especially trying to find a short. I will make some calls tomorrow to some different bike shops and use a different bike see if I cant get this tire size thing answered for good. If I cant break the bead I use our small tractor and just ease the front wheel up on it. Works every-time. Works on atv tires too. |
Why not a hawk 250? They are pretty much the same thing and the hawk comes with a rim combo that will allow you to find more type of tire for off road.
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I like the brozz better. It has a half ass digital dash the hawk doesnt.Swing arms are different. Looks/ colors /graphics better. counter balance engine. quit a few differences. I really wish the brozz had 17in front and rear tires be a cool super moto look. But if i am stuck only with just shinko 244 tires well it is over before it even starts. Tires make the bike for as I am concerned. You would think they would upgrade these damn bikes instead of just ordering the same old models every yr. I think most of this is just laziness on the us distributors. How long has it been since anything changed on the hawk? Digital dashes have been out how long? I know there is a new hawk coming out but I dont want to be the first beta tester on that. |
I got an email from Don with shopapmc.com yesterday. The Lifan X-Pect's will arrive next week. The X-Pect is $1669.00 (Colors: Orange, Green & Red) + Shipping Cost and is arriving on Wednesday July 3rd.
It has the 19/17 wheel combo. Fuel injected 200cc. Might be something to look at. |
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You sure on the wheel combo's? On Lifan website they have it at the 19/17 combo. But either way not sure i want to risk $$$ with this new efi. On top of that just 200(196) cc not big enough. Another genius idea from the good idea fairies. I wonder who actually makes these decisions the Chinese or some dump ass redneck American with no business experience. |
I did get the tire stuff sorta today and in process of making out a post with all the tire brands/models in the sizes that will work on the 19/17 combo's. I used the xs650 and the cr125 motorcycles as both use the 1.85x19. I didnt get one hang up or snobby reply from any of the shops I called. Nothing but help, Amazing!
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Thanks pete. I like fortnine been watching his videos for a yr or so. he does some great videos.
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After doing research on the Brozz tire sizes 17/19 here is what I found. This is after researching this site, multi other forums, net, and talking with 3 major brand bike shops. Here is list of what tires are available for the china bikes with the:
OEM front rim size 1.85x19, tire size 90/90/19 OEM rear rim size 2.5x17, tire size 110/90/17 Replacement Tire size: Front 100/90/19 will work on the 1.85 rim for the front. Rear 120/90/17 will work on the rear 2.5 rim. I did a search of tire manufacturer sites and here is the model of tires they make in these sizes. I did only matching pairs since I do not run mix match tires. SO if you do there are a few more options that you could mix and match. I did find one perfect match for the OEM tire size. But couldnt fine any state side but they were listed on Michelin USA site so you may be able to order them. Michelin Sirac 110/90/17 and 90/90/19 Second best match and china rider favorite is Shinko 244 2.75x19 front and 4.6x17 rear The follow are tire brands that make the 100/90/19 front and 120/90/17 Rear. AVON - Trail Rider Mitas- Terra force, E07, E08, MC-24, E09 (Terra Force is new and caught my attetntion I will be looking for a review on these) Metezeler- Tourance Dunlop- Trail Smart Continental- Trail attack 3, Trail attack 2, TKC 70, TKC 80, Escape Perelli- MT60 Kenda- K761, K760 Now money wise and performance wise Shinko 244 is Top dog, and under a $100 a set. The others will be much heavier especially the AVONS they are like lead. They will also set you back most likely over $200+ a set. Hope, this helps those looking for replacement tires. Also here are couple links I found worth a read. https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/d...-Tire-Info.pdf https://dropbears.com/motorcycles/utilities/tyrerim.htm |
I went 100/100/19 and 120/100/17 on my Bashan. TKC 80’s are terrible, they skip around on the pave and cake over instantly in the mud. For dry pack dirt roads (not gravel) they do ok but will still like to wash out. They look cool though both stock tires together weigh less than 1 front TKC.
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The Shinko 244 is a great tire for my dual sport needs. I push them hard through the twisties and they grip well. I wouldn't want a more street looking tire on my dual sport bikes.
Btw, somebody mentioned to beware of heavy tires. I couldn't agree more. Small engine bikes need the lightest tires you can find, because heavy tires really rob power. I found the Dennis Kirk lists the weights of each tire size of all the brands that they carry. It's very handy info when researching tires. Dual sport tires have very soft sidewalls, so they are especially easy to change. Almost as easy as a bicycle tire. :) |
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