Has anyone bought a Magician?
 

I just want to know if anyone has ordered the new Magician, and where they ordered it from. I was close to ordering the Hawk, but then saw the Magician, which is much more up my alley.

I see they are selling them here:
http://www.360powersports.com/New-Bu...tock-now-!.htm

and here:
http://www.txpowersports.com/New_Buy...tock-now-!.htm


The photos they use of the bike seem to be the same ones used on any site that lists the Magician, and TXpowersports has only one review, with the reviewer saying he was sent a Hawk instead of the Magician. I really want to get this bike, but I want to make sure that if I buy it from an online dealer I will be getting THIS bike.

Any more information anyone can give me on the bike and the best way/place to get one would be greatly appreciated!

Man, if I got shipped the wrong bike, I'd do a charge back if they wouldn't correct the problem.

Yep, refuse shipment delivery and charge back the cc. Then its their problem for not getting it right.

Yeah, I definitely would do that if it happened. I just wanted to see if anyone else had bought one already and had a good experience with a particular seller. I'd love to be able to buy it with some confidence haha.

I here ya...buying a cb with confidence, good luck with that :hehe:

Haha yes I know I shouldn't really expect that with a cb, I just wanna be able to get the right one to my door at least.

Motocheez got one (not sure if he got one free for promoting RPS so much via his youtube videos) but has not put up any updated videos.

I believe both firms linked to above are owned by the same guy, 'Manny' who is member 'Azhule's' favorite online seller (sarcasm--he has legitimate complaints). He owns 5 or six different retail dealers and online sites under differing names.

My only concern about the bike from the videos (Motocheez's and one of Manny's Texas dealers) of the Magician is that it looks like it bounces alot in the rear considering there is no direct shock back there. It seems like it is for smaller riders due to the 'bouncing' situation, at least from the few videos of the bike out there. I can imagine it would sag over time. For most riders, the Hawk would be a better bike, but perhaps for someone getting their short, light girlfriend to learn to ride, a Magician would be the second bike in the 2-pack. I had wanted to buy one when I saw RPS post a photo several months ago, but now would probably stick with a Hawk.

Motocheez's video can be linked from one of the links posted above, and here is TX Powersport's video of the Magician. Watching it again, it does look kind of interesting...

https://youtu.be/6HDeuvec29U

Thanks for the info culcune. I had a feeling those two sites were the same seller(same photos, same location, etc..). I see what you mean about the fear of the bike sagging, however I like the lower riding position, and I like the look of the bike a lot more than that of the Hawk; just personal taste. I also like that the bike is geared higher as I won't be doing any off-roading really, and I like that the bike (supposedly) is lighter and has better gas mileage. I would love to pull the trigger on this bike, just wish there was a highly regarded seller I could buy one from:ohno:

Wow....that is a lot smaller than I first thought....but I do like the idea it has a real rack on the back.

You and me both... I really like the looks of the Magician (and the HAWK actually)... but I still have nightmares of ordering and dealing with 'Manny'.

Hope to see the Magician up on the APSC site one day... then I will call and see about the price about shipping 1 HAWK and 1 Magician together :D

I find it hard to believe that there are NO other dealers selling the Magician, specifically ones that I don't have to be worried about getting scammed in any kind of way.

Looks like a capable CB but It just seems like there is less of what you get from a hawk or a bashan. I belive pricing are equal to hawks but It seems like you are getting less of a bike. Like rvs , you pay more for smaller units. Good bike for those that require it's specs.

These guys show one on their site, and are not one of 'Manny's' stores:

http://www.motobuys.com/sportbikes.html

Manny did join us here, as well as Motobuys months ago, but it seemed like both owners joined due to negative publicity. OK, 'Manny' joined due to compliments, and never did address 'Azhule's' complaints.

The RPS rep, Adam, has stated that one can buy a Magician from ANY dealer who sells Hawks and he links Q9 Powersports to his name here, and some have reporting buying from QP (Hawks, not Magicians) and had good results. APSC should be able to get Magicians, too, and I bet would package them with a nice discount if you asked them. According to EVERYONE who has reviewed them, they have no problem getting hold of them on the phone, and all questions are answered.

It seems that member SANY has had a good initial ownership experience with his Bashan Brozz, and has mentioned in his video that the seat height is 31" which confirms Powersportsmax's seat height listing. You might want to check out the Brozz to compare bikes. 31" opens up a whole new range of possibilities without the sagging rear!! :)

Thanks again for the information culcune. I really appreciate it. Maybe I'll reach out to Q9 and APSC and see if they have Magicians to sell. Perhaps I'll reach out to Adam too.

Talk to Don at APSC he works real hard for his customers and I bet he can get you a magician.

I just order a Go Kart for my son from them and they are great to deal with.

They can all sell the Magician, all they have to do is send us an email and order it. A lot of these online dealers aren't very good about editing their website, so it takes them forever to add or remove things. Just call someone that sells the Hawk and tell them you want the Magician.

Also, not that there is anything wrong with APSC, but any dealer can do the same two-pack offer Don has on his website -- just for some reason he is the only one that bothered to list it. The main reason I list Q9 is because if there is a problem, I can always get the owner on the phone and try to deal with it.

There actually isn't any difference between most of the dealers, its the same product coming from the same warehouse on the same semi-trucks. Even the MCO timing isn't as different as people think, its just some people get lucky and some don't. The biggest differences are some dealers are more experienced with the DMV in certain regions, and how good their mechanic is at identifying problems over the phone and submitting coherent parts requests.

Thanks for chiming in, Adam! It is always nice getting word from the 'source' of the bike, which is more than other brands! Motobuys does have a photo of the bike, but they always re-name their bikes with defunct brands of Chinese brands, such as Jetmoto, Lancer, Kymoto, etc. The Magician is called a Lancer Road Warrior at Motobuys :)

BTW, are the Magicians only in Dallas, or do you have any in L.A.?

Wow, thanks for all the input guys. And thanks again Adam for the information, I hope others interested in getting a Magician will look to this now. Also, haha they called some models jetmoto? Like the playstation game way back when? That's too good. Anyways, thanks again everyone for the input and information!:tup:

Jetmoto is a defunct brand of Chinese bikes from the mid-2000's. I had a '06 Jetmoto 200cc enduro. Lancer was a brand that is now defunct from around the same time period. I vaguely remember Kymoto. Vento was another brand. One of their bikes was a re-branded Zongshen Sierra. Anyway, enough Chinabike memory lane--call Motobuys and see what kind of deal they can do for you on their 'Lancer Road Warrior'. Member SANY bought a Bashan Brozz from them, even though he was trying to buy a Bashan Storm, and had good things to say about his service. We'll see how long the MCO takes to get to him, but Adam can walk you through the process to expedite the MCO from Motobuys if you buy a Magician from them (not really 'expedite' but rather get it in the proper time period).

Linking to 'Motocheez's' video on his Magician, one of the commenters named Israel Diaz mentioned he bought it from Motobuys and had a good experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-t9I81YqGg

Yes, I was dealing with Motobuys renaming today... they had people thinking the Hawk was a Vento, it was a real hassle to figure out what was going on... :doh:

The Magicians are only in Dallas, we had a warehouse in LA this summer but it was a waste of money... in the summer, sales on the West Coast are pretty dismal since California is a no-go zone... Our new smarter plan is to open a warehouse in either Atlanta or Cincinnati

Not just a Vento, but they also have a Lancer! A Lancer RTS Deluxe. $20 difference between the two. What is the difference to warrant $20? :)

http://www.motobuys.com/lancer-enduro-250.html

http://www.motobuys.com/vento-hen-enduro-250cc.html

ironheart--

You can add these guys to your short list:

As with most online dealers--you have to ignore a few things like "Big 21"/18" Wheels"

http://www.powersportsmax.com/index.php/cPath/33_83

I will admit that more can and should be done to expedite MCOs, although I've heard from more than one vendor that we are already better than the other importers.

There is a lot of room for human error: the person who prints the MCO is not the same person who signs it, and someone else mails it, someone else receives it, someone else signs it again, someone else mails it. There are multiple opportunities to screw up information like the VIN number or who the MCO is ultimately being sent to. Since it gets mailed twice, its twice as likely to get lost or delayed in the mail. If someone gets wrong, everything has to be reprinted and resigned and remailed all over again. We have improved and are improving our computers to streamline the process.

The idea of the MCO makes a lot of sense from a regulatory perspective, but the way it is done is not suited for online sales. How can a vendor actually certify an MCO on a unit they've never physically seen or had in their possession?

I would put my warehouse in either Mobile, Alabama or New Orleans, Louisiana, or Galveston/Houston, Texas. Seaports. Shorter trucking distances to potential customers in the east, midwest, and the southwest. All of them are located on Interstate routes. All of them have very good rail service.
New Orleans and Houston have great truck service. Adam, I think the most important thing is maintaining the Hawk as a name brand. That way you can get dealers, and build enough traffic in order to have real first class parts distribution. The first C/B outfit in the United States to realise this is going to end up the big winner. It would also allow you to sell higher profit after sales parts, like a rear shock with adjustable dampening, for one. I don't think you can offer this on the original bike, as it raises production costs too high.

hello, did you end up getting the magician? I got one a few months ago and I am impressed with what this bike can do. this is not my first dirtbike and was a bit skeptical about buying a Chinese bike but it has kept up with my ridding buddies on their Hondas and kawis. If you a short like me this is the bike for you any questions let me know, oh ya I got mine from txpowersports and the whole process went great. good luck

Fellow illinoisian
 

Hey Ironheart, i live in illinois and i was curios if you got the magician and were able to get it street legal here. I hear they arent?!?!

I have had my Magician for about 18 months

First thing to know is that the stock gearing is 15/45
Switching to a 17T front helps a little but changing the rear sprocket is impossible without changing the whole wheel assembly
That's because the bolt pattern is a large 6 bolt and there is no room for a smaller OD chain wheel
I solved this by fitting a rear wheel from an old Honda XL

The seat is narrow and kind of hard, so not the best for trips
The fuel tank is small and due to the shape of the frame, it would not be easy to find an alternative

I have a 30" inseam and I cannot flat foot the bike, but it is not so tall that I feel uncomfortable

Also the rear suspension uses dog bone links, so it could be lowered if you really want to

I have not made any other mods to mine and I doubt that I will
Overall I am pleased with it; it's light, fun to ride and I like the looks

BTW: I got mine from APSC USA

I'm thinking of buying one from Superior Power Sports.
$939 plus $279 shipping.

https://www.superiorpowersports.com/...b-magician.htm

What's the word on them?

I sold my Bashan awhile back, it was OK, but the footpegs were too far forward, how is the footpeg position on the Magician?

When you buy anything RPS all that dealer is doing is placing an order to RPS out of TX for you.. Look on the shipping papers when you get it..

I'd recommend a Bashan or CSC instead. If you get sent a wrecked-used bike you won't even be able to get engine parts using the warranty when you go with RPS A.K.A. [enter your seller here]..