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2017 Icebear Fuerza (Daix PMZ125-1)
Current setup:
2017 Icebear Fuerza VM22-133 carb Adjustable brake and clutch levers 17T front sprocket Upgraded engine mount bolts to Class 10.9 Low mount exhaust Nylon brackets to replace sharp bent metal wire/line brackets Ohlins knockoff rear shock (not installed) Gold Anodized tappet covers (not installed) Magnetic oil plug (not installed) Generic eBay oil cooler (not installed) Protaper Grom handlebar (not installed) USB port (not installed) Battery voltage meter (not installed) Re-wrap wiring harness in Tesa tape (not installed) LED low mount lights (not installed) Hydraulic clutch cable (not installed... hope this is the correct one) Stainless steel brake lines (not installed) ^^^^^ Edit above for current setup ^^^^^ Original post below: Picked this up last year (2017) and just found out about the site. Figured I'd make a post and contribute. https://i.imgur.com/IeVMVhj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/05waoqj.jpg?2 First thing to go on is the upgraded Mikuni VM22-133 carb. This was included as part of a special. Next thing was getting an inline fuel valve. This makes pulling the carb really easy. Just shut the valve off... run the carb dry... pull carb, reinstall carb, etc... then open valve back up. You can also see the mikuni carb in the picture as well. https://i.imgur.com/78EAmuc.jpg?3 Next was the 17T front sprocket. I wanted to be able to cruise around at 45 mph at a bit lower RPM. Sprocket was also part of the special from when I bought the motorcycle. Don't have pictures of this... but the install was pretty easy... about 30 min from start to finish including adjusting and cleaning the chain. To get rid of some of the wobble in the clutch and brake levers. Cheap eBay levers for less than $25 total. Levers took about 5 minutes to install. Super easy. https://i.imgur.com/tji8kkh.jpg?2 https://i.imgur.com/DqHsUk8.jpg?2 Next on the list is going to be the ZS190CC swap. May run this with a 17/32 sprocket setup. Guy in vegas is running a bored out ZS190CC with a 16/31 sprocket. I don't need all that acceleration. :D |
Thanks for sharing! We don't get many Ice Bear anythings around here, ironically, since they are fairly large as far as Chinese manufacturers go. The Fuerza is a unique bike in that they made the stock bike out of a theoretical custom Grom bike that their designer interpreted as such; they banked on their success with their Maddog series of making stock 50/150cc scooters based their interpretation of a custom Ruckus. I give them props for creativity with both your Fuerza's design and the Maddog series of scooters. How many miles do you have, and what, if any, issues that have come up and needed attention? You get extra points for posting photos as a new member!!
As far as the guy out of Vegas with a 190cc bike--is that a Chinese bike? I am guessing he beats the average Grom at their own game!? |
I bought a Fuerza last year from APSCUSA and have done all the same mods. I put on a low mount grom exhaustas well. The pipe had to get heated up to fit properly, but it turned out pretty good. I also was looking at installing the zs190cc engine, but i am reluctant to double the cost of the bike in doing so.
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Main thing is that all the parts from the grom do swap over. So like swingarms/plastics/suspension/etc will all swap. I'm actually trading a guy my rear suspension for his OEM grom one. With the headlights, you'll need to procure the grom headlight bracket. But I'm probably going to swap to something that uses clamps on the forks. Something like this... https://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Motorcycl...gAAOSwj9dZywU6 People in the ZS190 facebook group have been using grom kepspeed swingarms. I'm probably going to stick with mine and add a better chain adjuster. It has the OEM grom style one now. I have about 150 miles. No issues. Mikuni carb went on about 1 mile after I had it. 17T sprocket went on at about 100 miles in. The levers was last weekend. Coming up is the ZS190, Grom Plastics (so I can paint them metallic red), the headlight above, exhaust for the 190cc, maybe some new handlebars... that's about it. The guy with the 212cc (zs190cc with 4 valve head and bored/stroked) is using an Icebear Fuerza. He also has 3? other chinese clones? Dude is literally a wealth of knowledge. Unfortunately... he's not near me. |
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But yeah... I'm at the same place... the engine is a pretty $760... so not something cheap. I'm slowly saving up for it so I don't ruin my budget. Got new floors to put in at my house. |
Had installed my exhaust a while back but forgot to update the thread. No modifications needed. Direct bolt-on.
Exhaust is LOUD... May need to put the silencer they supplied with the exhaust. https://i.imgur.com/iBaTrk1.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/2eHPdqr.jpg?1 All that's really left is to wait for my zs190. :D |
Wlfpck - Post a link to the exhaust source please ,we are trying hard to compile a list of exhausts known to fit the Clones with little to no modification required, and this low mount would seem to be perfect .Thanks!
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Exhaust that I used... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-S...75.c100623.m-1 In terms of exhausts that will fit... https://www.motorkit.com/en/5677-exhaust-onder?p=1 Most in the link above ^^^^ should fit. The one that most people use with the ZS190 is this one below: https://www.motorkit.com/en/down-exh...sting-gp1.html If you use the AR Aodonly exhaust... Either you have to bend the exhaust piping to account for the angled exhaust port, or... weld in a 1 to 2 inch extension to have the exhaust pipe drop low enough. Anyways... to find an exhaust you want... search for Honda Dax, Honda Z50, or Honda Monkey exhaust. As long as it's a low mount exhaust... it should fit (no promises). If you want a high mount... you'll have to test it out. Reason for this is because the clone engines are based off the Honda CRF50 engine design. So the exhaust port is at an angle instead of straight down like the Grom and the SSR Razkull. |
I'm here in Vegas, and will be working with an old friend who was/is heading up the 190 swap knowledge base in Vegas, within the next two weeks. Can't wait. :) I hope to contribute to this site with things learned, in the very near future.
edit- The guy out here in Vegas not only has a 190, but he swaps 2 or 3 out a week for friends and "customers", his current build in a grom clone, full grom plastics, has a Daytona 4v head, and been increased to 212cc. He's working on fuel injection for the 190 swap (or 212) for those who are interested in having FI. But he is a self-proclaimed carb guy. Why the ZS190? The kicker is the 5 speed transmission that you get with the 190, he says that's the game changer over the inexpensive big bore kits out there. Pretty interesting to follow, I don't have the time or energy he does. ha. |
The more i think about it the more i am ready to pull the trigger on a Zs190 swap, guess I better start doing my homework and finding out who has the most complete package for sale that has all the bits and pieces you need all included in one swap kit. I'm all for the extra power of course but the 5 speed gearbox is the big thing imo .
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I'm pretty happy with my little 125 as it is but that 190 is super tempting!
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You can't look at doubling the cost of the clone bikes by swapping the 190 in, you have to consider you get a grom crushing fun machine for half the cost.
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Looks like you have a Volkswagen as well.
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Kronik Racing near me in Simi Valley, California have been selling zs190 engines and whatever install doohickey is needed to install them on Boom! Vaders. He (either the owner or one of the owners) seems on and off on shipping bikes (mail order), but doesn't mind shipping them to Las Vegas, and they do have a Craigslist presence on the LV Craigslist. He might be more willing to ship the zs190 engines nationwide, but the last time I spoke with him a few weeks ago, they were waiting for a shipment of the engines to come in, and were soon to sell out their last batch of Vaders. I suggest to call them since I know they have been in business for several years now (meaning they are reliable) and have taken the Vaders under their wing (meaning they have sorted them out). Since they were originally a pit bike and scooter dealer and pit bike racing shop, they know their stuff. I did tell him to join here, but not sure he understood Chinarider's presence in the Chinese bike world.
http://www.kronikracing.com/ |
I bought my clone from Kronik, very nice people! Work truck delivery to my house within a few days. Had a title issue and they resolved very quickly. Hats off to them.
It does seem the supply of ZS190s is very thin currently, but all vendors are hip to the demand and have placed orders for them. Who gets them and how many is up in the air. Pitster Pro is a big source. |
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[QUOTE=wlfpck;285079]Had installed my exhaust a while back but forgot to update the thread. No modifications needed. Direct bolt-on.
Could you get a side view of your bike! Any chance of a short video of the engine running? :thanks: |
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I'll get a video this weekend and throw it up on youtube. |
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Had a mix lab but it dies 6 months ago at 13year old.
Didn't want another dog, but the kids talked me into another. :crazy: I said no more big dogs, and never had or wanted a small dog... now i have a 5 month old Malshi. Love this little guy!!! note* dog was the same price as my Hellcat hahaha! first dog i ever bought and first bike i ever bought happy with both. |
Quick video clip. Honda Dax exhaust. I have some seafoam in right now so the jetting is off with the seafoam in the tank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2rshZddAUE Sound clip has idle and a little bit of low revs. It's pretty loud. |
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might pick one up for the direct bolt on factor. |
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It is definitely louder than stock. Is it too loud? That will depend on you... I think it's a bit loud at WOT. But for others... this may be just right. Problem is the stock exhaust is SUPER restrictive. This is also one of the exhausts that had the biggest muffler. So if you want even louder, they have the same exhaust with a shorter muffler if I remember correctly. |
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Have you tried it with the baffle in? curious, whats the seafoam for/do? |
Seafoam flushes out the carb bowl. Also flushes out the fuel tank and gets rid of any moisture in the tank.
I haven't ridden the bike in a month so I wanted to make sure nothing gunked up. I did a quarter bottle of sea foam... then realized my gallon gas can was empty... In retrospect, I should have rode to a gas station... filled up... then got home and added a little sea foam. :| |
Got some parts a week ago...
New Ohlins knockoff rear shock. https://i.imgur.com/PdT0q4f.jpg?1 Magnetic oil plug and new tappet covers https://i.imgur.com/JPp7OO3.jpg?1 |
Well,
As of 4/28/2019... my bike has been sold. Decided to sell it as most people with Groms/Z125/etc. are into stunting (wheelies and stuff). Not really something that I'm super into. I like just cruising around. As such, my bike has been sold and I'll be moving on to something else. Bikes being considered... Duke 390 cb300F Benelli TNT135 CT70 clone Don't know which direction I want to go. Would love to have something like a Braaap Superlite... but they don't seem to make it to the US. |
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Hey Duders,
I'm planning on getting this bike in the next week, just ordered off of Venommotorsportsusa and was curious since, this is the most recent thread for this bike, what immediate suggestions would any of you have for it? Initially, I'm getting into bikes is because I can no longer afford car insurance and the PMZ125-1 was eventually what I decided on. I need the transportation for a 30 minute commute to and from school and occasionally an hour commute to Atlanta (if I were to take the highway). I would have bought something more typical like a Honda Shadow 250 but alas I can only REALLY afford a scooter/moped at the moment. So I'm curious to know if you guys think this will really be the best bang for my buck? I'm not really a modder but I'm experienced and have plenty of help to be open to it, however I'm also curious about how long you think the lifespan is with just the stock parts or even if its worth using as my daily rider via stock parts? I already understand this is a little over my head (thanks to the redditors) but you all are very knowledgeable about this particular bike, so whaddya think? Will it be safe for a good year just keeping maintenance on the stock parts? Or should I really consider some modifications if I want this for my daily long-term commuter? |
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I'm not sure what model 125 you bought , is it a Grom size , like the Venom Vader, or is it a "full size" 125 , i know Venom sells a roadrace style 125 thats more or less a full size bike. I own a 2018/19 Gen 2 Vader 125 from Venom Motorsports that is extensively modified so maybe i can help you more once i know what style/ type of bike we are talking about. As far as the commute talking about is, one thing i would definitely plan on doing ( and hurray, it's cheap and simple ) is swapping to a 17 tooth front sprocket ,it will really help on the top end speed as well as keep the revs down and also makes the extremely short first gear actually usable. |
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On that note, I don't think you'll want to take it on the highway though. Even with a 17T sprocket with upgraded carb and exhaust, the speed maxed out around 65 mph in 4th. For lifespan, these bikes (grom clones) all use pit bike engines. They are pretty durable for the most part. If you do modify, keep it to upgrading the parts to more reliable/durable parts. These bikes are pretty simple so there's not much complexity that gets in the way. But keep in mind... wear and tear on these engines are not unlike wear and tear on car engines and other bikes. If you keep driving around at redline, you'll see more wear and tear than someone who just rides around the neighborhood. So depending on what speed you'll be cruising at (like on highway plan for 65-70 mph cruising), you'll want to be able to go 10-20 mph more than that for top speed. You're not going to want to sit at 9000+ rpm for extended periods of time riding around I'd personally keep the insurance on the car. You're commuting to school and back. When weather goes bad, last thing you want is to be on a bike. Go with the car and then worry about the bike. I got rid of mine because I don't ride anywhere near what I thought I would. Since I don't stunt/wheelie/etc, I never go on group rides with the Grom guys. Not to mention that they all live a bit of a distance away so I'd have to hop on the highway. You may want to consider saving up and getting a used CBR250 or CBR300. Max speed will be closer to 90-100 mph and is a full size bike. The KPR200 is a good option. Lifan makes pretty good bikes. You can also look at what CSC and SSR have in terms of bikes as well. |
Is this the second exhaust option you were talking about? WLFPCK? Looking for Vader options.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-S....c100047.m2108 |
@skenne43 - Yes, that exhaust will fit the Vader .
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At the time that I sold it, I was no longer riding around as much as I thought I would be. I was busy with work, wedding, etc. Lots of travel time for work and so forth. Once I got married, we decided to sell my townhouse because the townhouse was too small and then we of course had to get the house in selling order. Then moved completely across the city. Once the move was done and things settled down... I started to want another bike for tinkering. Start modding cars to over double the factory power and it gets expensive. The bike gave me something to build and mess with. So at the time... I was looking at a bigger bike like the CB300R, R3, Duke 390... Had the wife sold on the CB300R till the sales guy mentioned top speed into the triple digits. After that, she pretty much told me I'm allowed a Grom, a z125, a TNT135, or any other mini. Someone close to us was in a horrible bike wreck around this time. Seeing that I built a Grom clone already and wanted something with fuel injection... I decided not to get a Grom Clone. Can I install an EFI kit? Yes... but that's a LOT more work than just having the bike come with FI. The other deciding factor is that for the cost of a ZS190cc, I can grab a 186cc bore kit (and save a little. Kit is $550). For the ZS190cc... I'd have to get the engine ($650) and the EFI kit that's sold on facebook is around $400 I believe. At that point... I'm at $1050 for the 190 and EFI. Then take in the time to install the EFI kit on top of the ZS190... A lot easier to do the Grom and do a 186cc bore kit from DHMotoring. Other things... The Grom plastics are definitely better quality than the Booms, Icebears, Taotao bikes. No need to swap by just buying the Grom. There's fork kits for the Grom suspension by Ohlins, Racing bros, etc. With the Grom clones, you'd have to swap the Grom forks in. So... taking out all the minis that don't have FI... left us with the z125, Grom, Benelli TNT135, and Kymco Spade. I considered the TNT135... but the aftermarket support and dealership network just are high enough yet. I have very little time already so I want this to be as easy as possible. This knocked out the Kymco Spade as well. The Kymco Spade was actually my favorite out of the whole group... But... I don't have to only have 1 or 2 options for an exhaust. I don't want to not have aftermarket support. Etc. etc. So that lead to the z125 versus the Grom. The Kawasaki dealership didn't want to negotiate. The Honda dealership had a HUGE sale. So ended up with the Grom. TL,DR: I didn't switch because I wanted a Grom. I switched because I sold my bike... then wanted another bike... planned on getting a full size bike...wife vetoed it due to top speed...looked at all the minis with fuel injection...wanted one with good aftermarket so I can mod and tinker...chose the Grom due to the HUGE sale the dealership had. Could have very well ended up with the z125 instead. |
Confusion of models
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For some time I was unable to find out what the different model are
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icebear fuerza first 300
for being my first bike all around it not bad personally i enjoy it i have been looking into big boar kits because the swap atm the moment is to high but i had some down sides to it like i said first bike/scooter so learning it clutch and shift at first was rough but i got a hang pretty quick but doin a overall inspection of thing i noticed that both mounting bolts snapped at the nut. i dont know of anything i could have done to cause that i haven't even tried to learn how to rally have fun with it and i was wounding what type of replacement bolt should i use because if the oem broke so quick i feel now's the time to upgrade that . plus one it says should change the gear oil after the first 300 i bought the oil and supplies but i cant find the drain and fill plug for the gear oil
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