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ChipToothy 09-02-2021 08:12 PM

Storm burned
 
Well it caught an electrical fire and burned for a bit in traffic today before I could find enough water from the college girls standing around scared to death to put it out. Looks like it got all of the electrical system under the tank. I’m on foot without it and considering another “Chonda” because of the price and how things like the pipe and speedometer will swap over. 16,000 miles is what I got out of it. :tup:

david3921 09-02-2021 08:19 PM

Sorry to hear about your bike. Any idea of the cause?

ChipToothy 09-02-2021 08:26 PM

It’s failing to upload my photos so I don’t know

ChipToothy 09-02-2021 08:29 PM

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Sorry to hear about your bike. Any idea of the cause?

Electrical, it seems like the plug end of the spark plug wire, the coil is where it started. It’s burned up everything related to wiring made of plastic under the tank.

ChipToothy 09-02-2021 08:32 PM

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XLsior 09-02-2021 10:28 PM

a replacement loom isn't that expensive, but saying that there is no guarantee the replacement won't melt...Believe me I know.

ChipToothy 09-02-2021 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by XLsior (Post 365664)
a replacement loom isn't that expensive, but saying that there is no guarantee the replacement won't melt...Believe me I know.

Aye, I’ve been looking and trying to get an idea. Pretty much the whole bike will have to be re-wired as far as I can tell. Rectifier and coil are surely toast as well. Early guesstimate is less than $500 for a total electrical re-haul. $126 is the price I saw on the Roketa rectifier.

I’m going to try and find something like a used DR Z and put the faithful Storm back together piece by piece this winter. I almost ordered a Hawk DLX tonight but the forks and swingarm are a minus. The fuel injection however would be pretty cool in my book.

Megadan 09-03-2021 12:39 AM

if I had to guess... I would say it was likely a rub through short.

Sucks that it happened, but at least you were able to stop the fire from taking out the whole bike

Boatguy 09-03-2021 12:43 AM

I had a little self inflicted fire. I didn’t secure my aftermarket usb wire correctly and it touched the exhaust.

Smoke and flames everywhere until I put it out.

So there is also that way to start a fire.

XLsior 09-03-2021 02:06 AM

I used 1 of these...though prices seem to have gone up a bit since I bought mine. Might be found cheaper in the USA elsewhere.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/30196898...4AAOSwrhBZE5Sh

TxTaoRider 09-03-2021 05:27 AM

Wow that sucks. I kinda thought the fuses would have stopped that from happening.

stewbrash 09-03-2021 10:58 PM

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I used 1 of these...though prices seem to have gone up a bit since I bought mine. Might be found cheaper in the USA elsewhere.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/30196898...4AAOSwrhBZE5Sh

That is exactly what I did with a Quad and the Z50 clone, they even included the stator for less than $50 each! It was really easy!

ChipToothy 09-11-2021 09:49 PM

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Welp I got my hands on a DR650. Believe it or not I’m doing the exact same thing now as we’ve all had to do with the China bikes. Chasing jets, taking apart the carb 10 times, checking bolts, trashing filters, changing oil, researching digital clusters, looking for better bars and grips.. the tires are 705’s so gotta buy knobbies soon, the pipe and air filter has to be upgraded etc etc etc. The headlight is weak and the speedo doesn’t light up and there’s no passenger pegs or decent skid plate or tail rack. Top speed is only like 70+ and I can’t find the correct pilot jet size to buy lol. :lmao:

Literally everything is the same except it costs way more on the JPN bike. Ouch.
The photo is from after pushing it home the day I rode it to work. Turns out they forgot to put the vacuum line back on the tank.. which like a China bike has a leaky gas cap if you fill it too much.. .

XLsior 09-11-2021 10:38 PM

A solid choice. It' might cost more, but the quality is probably multitudes better.
Plenty of information elsewhere regarding the "bushpig" DR650, But this is a pretty informative playlist from the Cross Training Adventure YT channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58vB...nm7xU8Q8R6yTPS

bogieboy 09-12-2021 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipToothy (Post 365665)
Aye, I’ve been looking and trying to get an idea. Pretty much the whole bike will have to be re-wired as far as I can tell. Rectifier and coil are surely toast as well. Early guesstimate is less than $500 for a total electrical re-haul. $126 is the price I saw on the Roketa rectifier.

I’m going to try and find something like a used DR Z and put the faithful Storm back together piece by piece this winter. I almost ordered a Hawk DLX tonight but the forks and swingarm are a minus. The fuel injection however would be pretty cool in my book.

Dont spend 126 on a rectifier... i just bought one off amazon for my roketa for $18.99....

duck9191 09-13-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bogieboy (Post 366174)
Dont spend 126 on a rectifier... i just bought one off amazon for my roketa for $18.99....

I got one for like $10 for my storm last year and it was even delivered the next day by amazon lol.

I would pull the cover and check the stator, the reg/rec harness looks like it got the worse of it so it could have shorted and taken out the stator.

peace has the brozz harness's listed for $40, they should be fairly close since they are both Bashan bikes.

ChipToothy 09-18-2021 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by duck9191 (Post 366199)
I got one for like $10 for my storm last year and it was even delivered the next day by amazon lol.

I would pull the cover and check the stator, the reg/rec harness looks like it got the worse of it so it could have shorted and taken out the stator.

peace has the brozz harness's listed for $40, they should be fairly close since they are both Bashan bikes.



Do you still have the link in your Amazon orders section?


I replaced the OEM coil last year because it’s so sun degraded, the replacement took out my Tac but gave me a N light. I went back to the original. Hopefully I can get everything working OEM compatible again.

duck9191 09-19-2021 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipToothy (Post 366450)
Do you still have the link in your Amazon orders section?


I replaced the OEM coil last year because it’s so sun degraded, the replacement took out my Tac but gave me a N light. I went back to the original. Hopefully I can get everything working OEM compatible again.

It was in 2019, don't 100% remember if the pins needed to be moved or not, but that's what has been on my storm since then.

12V Voltage Regulator Rectifier 4 Wires for GY6 125cc 150cc ATV Dirt Bike Go Kart Moped and Scooter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J1XLHC4...ing=UTF8&psc=1

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 02:32 PM

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Ok first off.. OMG they don’t make this easy. I have no less than 10,000 questions. JK only a few.. for now.

1. From the photo does the green and red O clamps that run from the starter need to go on the coil along with the 2 small ones?

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 02:37 PM

2. This cluster and extra wiring that comes from the starter area, I have no idea what these are or go to.. ???

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 02:39 PM

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It rarely lets me post photos.. here’s the photo for question 2. Thanks.

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 02:41 PM

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My new mess lol. I avoid electrical things at all cost and not have written directions or experience this is as far as I could get.

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 02:48 PM

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Also I have no idea what this yellow wire is supposed to plug in to.

China Rider 27 11-27-2021 04:48 PM

I would search for a wiring diagram for the bike or similar bike. Does the owners manual have a wiring diagram? Here is one for a Bashan Quad don't know if it will work but has some easy to see color for the wires.

https://wiringall.com/bashan-200cc-q...g-diagram.html

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by China Rider 27 (Post 369532)
I would search for a wiring diagram for the bike or similar bike. Does the owners manual have a wiring diagram? Here is one for a Bashan Quad don't know if it will work but has some easy to see color for the wires.

https://wiringall.com/bashan-200cc-q...g-diagram.html

Any diagram going by color won’t help anything without parts names. The diagram that came in the box with the kit isn’t even correct lol

XLsior 11-27-2021 05:52 PM

On the starter relay. the 2 large posts take a direct 12v feed from the battery to the starter motor, Use the same gauge wire for cranking amps.

the 2 smaller posts are the push start and earth (green wire). when you push the start button (yellow&red wire) it activates the relay closing the 2 large post circuit so the starter motor get 12v.

All solid green wires are ground/earth terminal end wires. (The main ground wire might be black)
All solid black wires are 12v ignition on.
All red wires are 12v live.

Everything else will likely serve a specific purpose.

I ended up replacing and uprating the main ground, 12v ignition and 12 live on my replacement loom as the Chinesium loom kept frying itself.

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XLsior (Post 369537)
On the starter relay. the 2 large posts take a direct 12v feed from the battery to the starter motor, Use the same gauge wire for cranking amps.

the 2 smaller posts are the push start and earth (green wire). when you push the start button (yellow&red wire) it activates the relay closing the 2 large post circuit so the starter motor get 12v.

All solid green wires are ground/earth terminal end wires. (The main ground wire might be black)
All solid black wires are 12v ignition on.
All red wires are 12v live.

Everything else will likely serve a specific purpose.




I ended up replacing and uprating the main ground, 12v ignition and 12 live on my replacement loom as the Chinesium loom kept frying itself.


Ok, so a total of 4 wires should be running to the relay posts, 2 from the starter housing and 2 leading to the battery posts +/- ?

XLsior 11-27-2021 07:39 PM

Scuffed Starer Relay Sketch.
 
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Does this help?

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 08:04 PM

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The green O ring and yellow plug are a mystery

XLsior 11-27-2021 08:20 PM

the green with ring terminal should be a chassis ground and the yellow black you're holding Im not sure. (maybe rear brake light or something)

but the wires coming out of the relay and connected to the loom are yellow&red and green correct?

all you need then is a heavy gauge wire from the bare relay terminal post to you starter motor insulated terminal post.

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 08:27 PM

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the green with ring terminal should be a chassis ground and the yellow black you're holding Im not sure. (maybe rear brake light or something)

but the wires coming out of the relay and connected to the loom are yellow&red and green correct?

all you need then is a heavy gauge wire from the bare relay terminal post to you starter motor insulated terminal post.


Yellow-red and green-red from the relay yes.


Thank you for all the help!



Figuring out what the 3 spark plug wires connect to on the loom is my next task. I know one of the plugs is for a tacometer bit I’m not worried about that one. The other 2 wires were burned up and dangling so I don’t know what they go to.

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 08:31 PM

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The white wire was the taco meter (rpm). The green and black one I don’t know what they go to.

XLsior 11-27-2021 08:45 PM

green wires are ground/earth wires.

Solid black wires should be 12v ignition feed.

where they went i don't know either...

Are you sure its a solid black wire...no other colour?

ChipToothy 11-27-2021 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by XLsior (Post 369548)
green wires are ground/earth wires.

Solid black wires should be 12v ignition feed.

where they went i don't know either...

Are you sure its a solid black wire...no other colour?

Solid black and solid green for sure. I assume they ran to whatever the spark plug coil needed to interact with. Whatever that is.

XLsior 11-28-2021 01:02 AM

you might want to trace that black wire back to it's source point.

If it is a 12v ignition feed then it would have shorted out on the green earth wire when the key was turned on which would explain its frazzled situation.

ChipToothy 11-28-2021 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by XLsior (Post 369556)
you might want to trace that black wire back to it's source point.

If it is a 12v ignition feed then it would have shorted out on the green earth wire when the key was turned on which would explain its frazzled situation.

The black and green are OEM so they’ll go somewhere. I wonder if they were part of the keyless/alarm spaghetti.

ChipToothy 11-28-2021 11:42 AM

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you might want to trace that black wire back to it's source point.

If it is a 12v ignition feed then it would have shorted out on the green earth wire when the key was turned on which would explain its frazzled situation.

Ahh, those 3 wires are all burned. The green looks to be the ground for the spark plug coil, the black is the live wire coming out of the spark plug coil and the white was Sambo tach was spliced into. No worries there.


At the back side of the starter is a large green OEM O-ring wire. What does that ground to? The cluster in this photo I’m guessing is the OEM stator wires.

ChipToothy 11-28-2021 12:08 PM

Ok thanks for the help. I just found out the hard way that the new stator for the China bikes has to be an 8 pole and not a GY6 6 pole. I’m going to return this kit to Amazon and just bite the big bullet with the OEM kit so that everything will work out with least headaches.

ChipToothy 02-15-2022 06:02 PM

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Alrighty, my actual Bashan Storm OEM wiring harness showed up and I am just waiting on the OEM rectifier any day now. I have started to piece the electrical back together. Is this solenoid wiring correct or is something missing or backwards?

Also any photos y’all can share of your battery cables, grounds and electric wiring on your Storm would be too helpful. It’s having to be reworked 100% from scratch and if I can just get the motor started and running the rest I believe will fall in to place.

I remember the alarm system being hooked up correctly decided if the bike would start or not. We may have to find a way to ground/live around it because mine is all kinds of fried.

ChipToothy 02-18-2022 05:11 PM

Is there anybody out there?

Just nod if you can hear me, is there anyone home?



I rewired the ignition and got the loom hooked up aside from the rectifier which is still in shipping somewhere. I tried to get the starter to crank but not hood happening. I’m guessing these bikes won’t start w/o a rectifier installed?

Or my second guess is the alarm/keyless box on these bikes is causing a problem.


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