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katoranger 02-28-2015 08:34 PM

Artic Cat Climber minibike.
 
Weld has faced off with the border guards and got this thing on the truck.
http://www.chinariders.net/attachmen...1&d=1425005938
http://www.chinariders.net/attachmen...2&d=1425005938

Let the project begin. Two of my girls and I have already started working on the engine for this machine with the 4-H small engine group. My garden tiller is now a pile of parts.

The plan is to show it this July at the county fair.

katoranger 02-28-2015 08:49 PM

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The engine donar. 3.5HP Tecumseh. Almost the same as the minibike would have had originally. Carb needs a rebuild and the fuel tank has a hole. I think we will need to route the exhaust out the back and find a tank that will fit on the frame.

katoranger 02-28-2015 09:00 PM

One of these should work nice.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Go-Kart-Torq...item4d2e1a8d8d

SpudRider 02-28-2015 10:22 PM

Thanks for sharing another great Kato project with us, Allen. :tup: Of course, we need the mandatory photographs of Buford supervising the project, et cetera. ;)

P.S. Is wrenching on an engine compatible with painted fingernails? ;)

katoranger 02-28-2015 10:56 PM

Buford would like the heated garage we were working in.

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katoranger 02-28-2015 10:58 PM

I figured someone would catch the nails. Buford gets his done too.

SpudRider 02-28-2015 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger (Post 180609)
I figured someone would catch the nails. Buford gets his done too.

:lmao:

I didn't know Buford was that kind of guy. :wtf:

:hehe:

katoranger 03-01-2015 11:49 AM

He's a city cat. Just now getting use to country life.

Weldangrind 03-01-2015 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger (Post 180596)
The engine donar. 3.5HP Tecumseh. Almost the same as the minibike would have had originally. Carb needs a rebuild and the fuel tank has a hole. I think we will need to route the exhaust out the back and find a tank that will fit on the frame.

I'm geeking out over this project! I hope it arrives safely.

Thanks for the pics. I'm not familiar with Tecumseh utility engines like I am with Briggs. I see that the exhaust is on the same side as the output shaft, but I can't tell if it's pipe thread, gasket mount or both (like an old Briggs).

I see the four mounting holes around the output shaft that will accept the TAV. The Briggs I used on the last mini I built didn't have those holes, so I swapped a later case cover on. I never did install a TAV, but at least the option is there for the new owner.

I'm totally willing to help fabricate an intake tube that will work with a small Mikuni, so you can easily connect to a standard dirt bike twist throttle.

SpudRider 03-01-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger (Post 180624)
He's a city cat. Just now getting use to country life.

Okay. ;)

Weldangrind 03-01-2015 01:59 PM

Ok, I scrolled further down, and I see the muffler is bolted on. Is there also a female thread inside the exhaust port? If so, you could screw a pipe thread elbow in, which would point the exhaust to the rear. I recommend brass or stainless, so it doesn't require paint.

Weldangrind 03-01-2015 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 180605)
Is wrenching on an engine compatible with painted fingernails? ;)

Don't judge! If Kato wants pretty nails, leave him be.

Weldangrind 03-01-2015 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger (Post 180597)

That's a good deal, and it addresses the need for a cover at the same time. You might need to limit the throttle, though. Those things provide some serious speed on tiny wheels.

katoranger 03-01-2015 02:05 PM

I think we will scrap the TAV and stick to a centrifugal clutch. Much cheaper. This needs to stay low buck.

I am hoping that we can use some pipe to make an exhaust.

If I can repair the carb we will stay with it otherwise I am going to to put a small mikuni on.

Weldangrind 03-01-2015 02:14 PM

If it's anything like a Briggs, the carb is mounted on the tank and requires a vacuum fuel pump. If the Tecumseh is the same, you might not be able to use a frame mounted gas tank with the original carb.

Perhaps you can find a replacement tank, or repair the original. The mini I built had room in the frame for a Briggs with a stock tank and carb. The difficulty comes in figuring out how to adapt a twist throttle to a rotary linkage.

Weldangrind 03-01-2015 02:17 PM

I forgot to mention that those old tires actually held air! I pumped them up to roll it into the shipping facility. I don't think I'd try setting any land speed records with them, but they'll do around the property.

SpudRider 03-01-2015 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 180638)
Don't judge! If Kato wants pretty nails, leave him be.

:lol:

katoranger 03-01-2015 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 180647)
If it's anything like a Briggs, the carb is mounted on the tank and requires a vacuum fuel pump. If the Tecumseh is the same, you might not be able to use a frame mounted gas tank with the original carb.

Perhaps you can find a replacement tank, or repair the original. The mini I built had room in the frame for a Briggs with a stock tank and carb. The difficulty comes in figuring out how to adapt a twist throttle to a rotary linkage.


The tecumseh has a float style carb with a fuel inlet. I think that I have a tank that will work.

katoranger 03-01-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 180649)
I forgot to mention that those old tires actually held air! I pumped them up to roll it into the shipping facility. I don't think I'd try setting any land speed records with them, but they'll do around the property.

If they hold air we will likely use them.

Weldangrind 03-01-2015 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger (Post 180655)
The tecumseh has a float style carb with a fuel inlet. I think that I have a tank that will work.

That's good news. The only remaining issue is the carb linkage for a twist throttle.

katoranger 03-02-2015 08:23 AM

That I am sure we can overcome.

katoranger 03-02-2015 08:24 AM

I noticed that the original Tecumseh engine has the carb and exhaust reversed.

Weldangrind 03-02-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by katoranger (Post 180735)
That I am sure we can overcome.


Certainly. I used the linkage from a Quadrajet carb I had in the scrap pile. After some careful drilling and tapping, I was able to connect the throttle cable. I even used one of the two Quadrajet throttle return springs.

It was the only thing I could think of at the time, because I was trying to get a twist grip throttle to spin a rotary linkage. It worked well.

katoranger 03-02-2015 01:45 PM

We will use the stock throttle assembly on the engine. It pulls the governor arm and not the throttle arm. This will retain the governor to keep us from loosing a rod. Also keep our speeds down.

Weldangrind 03-02-2015 08:52 PM

Right, I forgot that you intend to keep the governor. Will you be able to use some sort of return spring?

katoranger 03-03-2015 09:14 AM

I think we can make something. I have springs.

Weldangrind 03-03-2015 10:24 AM

Does the stock throttle have a cable, or is the throttle lever simply a part of the governor linkage?

katoranger 03-03-2015 11:09 AM

It is just part of the linkage. I think it has a place to install a cable.

thillskier 03-03-2015 12:52 PM

Parts
 
Guys, I did some Tecumseh warranty work a few yrs ago for Deep Rock well drilling Mfg. I have a good amount of the parts left over, as they believed in new parts swap over repairs. I even have some NIB parts, carb I think, some short blocks etc. and quite a bit of the stuff brought in (usually clogged carb/bad gas situation.)
Anyways whatever you need, I can check in the warehouse above my shop, see what I can dif up for you, if it helps.
Cost? U pay shipping. N/C, of course. Most of it is either in boxes ready to second box (for protection) and ship out. You may owe me a favor sometimes, or not;).
Let me know what u need and I will look when I can go down there in the next day or two.
MOST tecumseh horizontal engines use a separate carb on a manifold thats below the exhaust outlet (for fire safety). This allows any gravity feed gas situation, day tank, remote tank etc. Also can do a fuel pump (need to regulate it to below 3psi for the floats to not flood, though they say 5psi is OK. I could never consistantly use over 3 PSI and KNOW It wouldn't flood with a fuel pump/non gravity set up.
Hope this helps.
PS How about a pic of the "old girl"? I had a couple when a kid, still have the chipped tooth from my early wheelie NOT learning curve!

thillskier 03-03-2015 12:59 PM

Also,
 
Read other pg. The DR app uses a throttle cable. If I can find a carb thats new, the cable attach parts will be in there. I positive there are some manifolds there, and mufflers NIB also. Just make a list for me, please. The tanks also might work with a aluminum cross piece between the frame rails (if like my old Taco mini. (Pic will let me help better). This mani is the swing down type to get it below exhaust (and heat that can Vapor lock it/boil the gas in the bowl, you need to consider with exhaust outlet and radiant from), also.

katoranger 03-03-2015 02:07 PM

Thanks for the offer. Right now I am waiting for the frame to arrive. The engine is sitting and waiting for a carb kit. I plan to route the exhaust under the seat and out the back like it would have been originally.

The engine is a 3.5hp.

Weldangrind 03-03-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thillskier (Post 180868)
This mani is the swing down type to get it below exhaust (and heat that can Vapor lock it/boil the gas in the bowl, you need to consider with exhaust outlet and radiant from), also.

Probably a non-issues, since the exhaust is on the left side of the head, and the carb is at the rear. Very kind of you to offer parts. :tup:

Weldangrind 03-03-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger (Post 180863)
It is just part of the linkage. I think it has a place to install a cable.

If it's anything like a Briggs, it will have detents that hold the throttle in specific positions. Perhaps you could file those off for smooth throttle action. You want that throttle to snap shut when your daughter lets go.

katoranger 03-03-2015 04:00 PM

These engines have been used for years on mini bikes and go karts. I am sure that a throttle kit exists.

katoranger 03-03-2015 04:26 PM

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Microsoft paint rendering of the throttle linkage. Should be able to make this work with junk.

Weldangrind 03-03-2015 09:36 PM

It has been done, but I chose not to. I ordered the kit, but I decided that it was junk. I needed to rely on the linkage.

Weldangrind 03-05-2015 11:23 AM

The frame should arrive at Casa del Kato soon.

It might be a candidate for the electrolytic de-rusting process. Do you have a large plastic or fiberglass tank that you can use for that?

Do you have access to a bead blaster for the rims? I bet they would look terrific after some time in the cabinet.

katoranger 03-05-2015 11:40 AM

I think I can arrange for some thing to be blasted. We have some blasting that will be done at work. I sure I could slip a couple rims in there.

I was thinking about using electrolysis on the smaller parts and sanding the frame by hand.

Weldangrind 03-05-2015 11:59 PM

That'll be a lot of sanding. I suspect it was outside for a long time before I got a hold of it.

katoranger 03-06-2015 08:32 AM

It looks like it should be arriving sometime today.

Last night we worked on the carb. I was able to get the seized float pin out and we discovered a bad float. Brass float was full of gas. Explains the flooding carb. Installed part of the carb kit and will get a new float for next week.

I can see if one of the other guys has sandblasting equipment. I do have a 55 gallon plastic drum with an open top. The frame may fit in there and we can use the electrolysis. Much easier than sanding.


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