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ChopperCharles 02-06-2020 09:59 PM

The classic is now $2899 and the cafe $2999 right now. Great prices on a great bike.

Charles.

OKG 02-09-2020 03:25 AM

Hello from Germany,

I'm also riding the European version of this bike. It's a Romet SCMB 250 from 2016 distributed by Polands Romet company.

However the bike is pretty good, I'm also interested to modify it. Manly performance but also safety.

Do you have any idea where to buy parts? I only found a shop in Poland selling OEM parts but no mods.

I'm also looking for the caffeina exhaust and maybe the breaking system because it's an ABS system. Any Idea? I plan to also modify the air intake with a open K&N filter, therefore I'll try to design a better Air intake using my 3d Printer.

Second would be to code the EFI, the Delphi MT05 was also used by H&D in past. But it's hard to find the right plugs and software to deal with. I think the standard setup is coded to deal with any low gas quality in the world as it is also sold in India and other asian countries. Gas quality in Europe and maybe in the US is much better which usually has significant potential to increase performance.

Any idea?

Best

ChopperCharles 02-13-2020 02:17 AM

I have a tuner. It can help with midrange, but no performance gains are to be had at the top end. The efi computer adjusts itself to give you the right fuel mix even after upgrading to a caffiena exhaust with no catalaytic conveyer, and a k&n pod filter on a short 90 degree bend. You can gain a bit of midrange torque but the ecu already adjusts the high speed fueling perfectly. All playing with the upper range on the tuner did was drop my power and gas mileage.

The k&n and exhaust are worth sustained Highway speeds about 5mph higher than stock, for a sub-200lb man. If you couple that with a 520 chain and sprockets and a 15 tooth countershadt sprocket, the bike becomes infinitely more rideable.

Check out my thread on advrider.com for all of my mods. Intake, exhaust, tuner, gearing, rims, rack, speedometer reprogram (to display correct speed), etc.

Charles.

ChopperCharles 02-13-2020 02:19 AM

Caffinea exhaust is now available on amazon btw. It’s not cheap, and the hardware is not listed. But look up the lexmoto vendetta on amazon, and you should find a bunch of good parts.

Charles.

ChopperCharles 05-05-2020 08:02 PM

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Today’s achievement:

http://chinariders.net/attachment.ph...1&d=1588723218

I’ve owned it for one year two months one week and some change, and today I turned 10k miles. I even was able to stop just in time to take the perfect photo.

Charles.

ChopperCharles 05-05-2020 08:03 PM

Of course the forum software kinda sucks and it turned my photo upside down. But you get the idea.

Charles.

ChopperCharles 05-11-2020 11:45 PM

So in 10k miles, I have relatively little to report. Reliability-wise, the bike has had 3 turn signals, one shifter linkage, and a fork seal replaced under warranty. I've geared it way down and put bigger, heavier wheels and tires on it. It's geared for 80mph at 8900rpm (100rpm before the rev limiter) .Additional upgrades include a free-flowing exhaust, airbox removal, K&N filter, 520 chain and sprockets, and a Barnett kevlar clutch kit with springs (so I can pop the front wheel up)

I ride it between 7000 and 8000rpm for long distances, I shift at 8500 rpm, every stop sign is treated like a drag race. The bike will do 1st gear wheelies, but I'm a little gun-shy on getting it up near the balance point. The most I do is pop the front wheel up a few inches. With a rider who doesn't weigh 260 pounds, it will probably do second gear wheelies. It really tries with me on it, but I'm just too heavy.

This is to say, I ride the HELL out of this bike. I broke it in hard and have kept riding it hard. It kept building power until about 4000 miles and then leveled off. I'm extremely happy with this bike, especially after all the mods. It's not been Japanese reliable, but it's been pretty close. It always starts, always runs, always gets me to where I'm going.

In all those miles there has been a slight hint of cam chain rattle that got louder and louder and then suddenly one day quiet again -- slack taken up by the auto tensioner no doubt. It was never particularly loud or noticeable, but having owned a lot of high mileage Honda V4s, I know the sound well. I have run the bike on 87 octane usually, and ethanol free 89 or 90 when it's late fall and I don't know how long it's going to sit up before being ridden again.

In short, I'm using the hell out of this bike, riding it balls to the walls, and treating it like a Honda or Yamaha. And it's been wonderful!

Parts availability has been one week or less to the dealership, except for a couple of months when turn signals weren't available. Everything I've needed, from o-rings and gaskets to luggage racks and seats to levers and spacers has been available. Only the turn signals had a back order in all that time.

Would I buy this bike again? Yes, in a heartbeat. If I could go back in time and change anything, I'd actually not buy my Yamaha, and buy this two years earlier instead.

Charles.

culcune 05-12-2020 01:13 AM

I recently watched the video from Adam Waheed, the guy from Motorcyclist.com, who rode one along the coast in the Orange County area of So. California. He raved about it, and I even put a quote of his in my signature regarding the bike and how much fun he had at 'low' speeds. You are having a similar experience, but daily! I like the idea of them taking a EFI Lifan cruiser twin and putting it in a café racer; a formula that seems to work VERY well from a performance, aesthetic, and aural angle. I think my only 'complaint' is the front fender. Not sure what else they could have done there, but I think it looks awkward, but NOT something that would stop me from buying it. I think the only thing that would stop me from buying this bike is the recently released Lifan KPM200. Decisions, decisions...

WilsonCat 05-12-2020 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by culcune (Post 336958)
I recently watched the video from Adam Waheed, the guy from Motorcyclist.com, who rode one along the coast in the Orange County area of So. California. He raved about it, and I even put a quote of his in my signature regarding the bike and how much fun he had at 'low' speeds. You are having a similar experience, but daily! I like the idea of them taking a EFI Lifan cruiser twin and putting it in a café racer; a formula that seems to work VERY well from a performance, aesthetic, and aural angle. I think my only 'complaint' is the front fender. Not sure what else they could have done there, but I think it looks awkward, but NOT something that would stop me from buying it. I think the only thing that would stop me from buying this bike is the recently released Lifan KPM200. Decisions, decisions...


Holy cow...talk about planets aligning. I just started reading the forum again and have been drawn to the Buccaneer as well. For those who don't know, culcune was responsible for pointing me toward the TMEC200 many years ago. I didn't own it for very long and wound up on a Suzuki Boulevard C50 (which I wound up falling out of love with and longed for my TMEC200). I sold the Suzuki and have wanted a cafe racer style bike for a year or so now. Decisions indeed!

culcune 05-12-2020 08:09 PM

Nice to 'see' you around here, again! I actually still have the carcass of my old TMEC. I repo'd it from a guy who was supposed to pay me $100 for it, and was riding it into the ground. For months, no cash. Someone here wanted my wheels, so I sold them (I had the 17/17 street wheels/tires). I am still trying to give my bike to someone from Chinariders, but I think I am the only Yuma member. It is probably NOT worth it for someone to drive several hours to pick it up. Who knows...I might take it up as a project?

WilsonCat 05-13-2020 09:07 AM

Well that sucks. Something about the simplicity of these bikes keep pulling me in. I've wanted a Triumph Bonnie for years now but can't seem to find one worth buying. That is what prompted me to look at chinariders. Pleasantly surprised to see the cafe style being represented now. Been looking at the CSC SG250, SSR Buccaneer, and for a little more cash...the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. Not sure what to do now....I was also on board originally for the Brozz but I really like the cafe / traditional motorcycle look.

culcune 05-13-2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WilsonCat (Post 337131)
Pleasantly surprised to see the cafe style being represented now. Been looking at the CSC SG250, SSR Buccaneer, and for a little more cash...the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. Not sure what to do now....I was also on board originally for the Brozz but I really like the cafe / traditional motorcycle look.

If you like the more subtle look, the Lifan KPM200 should be added to your list as well. There is a video from the Dorito and the Luchacabre channel showing it topping out on one of the greater L.A. metropolitan area's freeways at an indicated 79 mph, but no GPS. One of our members here, Ceasar, who has the Small Engine Velocity channel on YouTube, has three Lifans including the KPMini 150, the KPR200 (same engine as the KPM200, but his is the sport bike with fairings) and the Lifan Lycan cruiser (the Buccaneer uses the Lycan's V-twin engine). In all his videos, he has shown a discrepancy of 5 mph between his 3 different Lifan bikes' speedos and GPS, so it would seem the KPM is capable of 74, or 75 mph. Plus, the KPM200 in the Dorito... channel is new, so not fully broken in, so it might have a bit more pull? The Lycan has been seen on Small Engine channel hitting 75 or so (GPS), and in one video cruising at around 70, so my guess is the Buccaneer's natural seating position allows one to get a few extra mph over the cruiser. I really like the Buccaneer's styling, and the idea of its V-twin, so it is difficult to decide which one to pursue. Then again, I am not dead-set on a café bike, and still contemplating the Lifan X-Pect 200 dual-sport!?

ChopperCharles 05-13-2020 03:02 PM

If you put a fairing on the Buccaneer, even a small cafe fairing, it will go much faster. Wind pressure is what keeps it from higher speeds. If I get behind a large SUV or a truck, I can do 80+ mph on my GPS. (Well, before the last gearing change). With lower bars and a large fairing you could probably do a lot better than me, especially with a 15T front sprocket and stock wheels and tires. Even more so if you weigh closer to 150 than to 250 :)

Charles.

WilsonCat 05-13-2020 08:25 PM

Oh I know (not much to do right now but read...read...read). I read all of ChopperCharles' thread on the Buccaneer and it's really got my interest. I need to contact the SSR dealer in South Hampton and see if he has or can get one and what he charges. Like I said, the SG250 looked like a great option as well. But it is a little smaller and I've gained quite a few lbs in the last few years. Going under a 250cc (or 230cc) is not something that I am looking for although the TMEC did well for a 200cc.

WilsonCat 05-14-2020 08:41 AM

Ugh...the more I look at the KPM200 the more I like it. I just wish the Blue one came with spoked wheels and not the mags. Very nice bike indeed! Now I am really torn!

ChopperCharles 05-14-2020 03:31 PM

I actually really like the look of that KPM200, but 12kw is only 16hp. The Buccaneer has 18 and I wouldn't want to go any less than that for street use. 2hp makes a huge difference at these low performance levels.

Charles.

WilsonCat 05-14-2020 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopperCharles (Post 337347)
I actually really like the look of that KPM200, but 12kw is only 16hp. The Buccaneer has 18 and I wouldn't want to go any less than that for street use. 2hp makes a huge difference at these low performance levels.

Charles.


My old TMEC 200 only had 14.5hp and I never had an issue doing what I needed with it. I'm not traveling on the highway so 16hp should be more than sufficient for me.



Biggest issue now is actually finding a place that has it in stock and can ship it. I would consider the Buccaneer but can't seem to find a place that will ship one either. Unfortunately, that is a requirement at this point.

culcune 05-14-2020 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WilsonCat (Post 337398)
My old TMEC 200 only had 14.5hp and I never had an issue doing what I needed with it. I'm not traveling on the highway so 16hp should be more than sufficient for me.



Biggest issue now is actually finding a place that has it in stock and can ship it. I would consider the Buccaneer but can't seem to find a place that will ship one either. Unfortunately, that is a requirement at this point.

Call Pete at Kronik Racing in Simi Valley, Cal. He is the Vader guru (sells those mostly to L.A. locals), and likes to keep his image as a 'mini' dealer and pitbike dealer. But, he used to sell SSR full size bikes, and might still have the connection to them (SSR is 'local' to him). He shows the Lifan KPMini on their site currently, but has assured me he can get any Lifan (he is 'local' to them as well). www.kronikracing.com

ChopperCharles 06-21-2020 06:35 PM

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So yeah... anyone remember me talking about how the passenger section is unsupported? Well 10,300 miles and metal fatigue happened. The passenger seat loop has no bracing on the 2017, and the constant vibration and extra weight of the rack and small bag (max load one 6-pack, in accordance with the 9 pound limit) was too much stress over too much time. I’m just glad I never let my girlfriend ride on the back.

This is downright dangerous. I’m 4 months out of warranty... I’m hoping SSR will spot me a new 2018-up style frame.

Charles.

ChopperCharles 07-04-2020 10:14 PM

SSR is going to replace the frame! And they’re taking a 2017 frame, welding the supports onto it, then powder coating it for me. Because it’s going to take less time to do that than to wait for a container to fill and have a frame shipped from China.

Charles.

2LZ 07-05-2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopperCharles (Post 342068)
SSR is going to replace the frame! And they’re taking a 2017 frame, welding the supports onto it, then powder coating it for me. Because it’s going to take less time to do that than to wait for a container to fill and have a frame shipped from China.

Charles.

That's GREAT news CC! I was hoping something would come of this for you. I'm glad SSR stepped up to the plate for you. I've always been leery of their customer service and support. It's the main reason I chose the TT250 for Mrs. 2LZ over the XF250 a few years ago even tho I knew the XF was the more modern bike, regarding build quality.
Let us know when the new Benelli arrives!

ChopperCharles 07-20-2020 05:32 PM

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They sent this picture today. It goes out for paint tomorrow.

Charles.

ChopperCharles 09-17-2020 02:30 PM

got my bike back a couple weeks ago. Modified frame is perfect. The taillight, rear fender, and turnsignals don't vibrate at all anymore, where before they would vibrate quite a bit just by revving the engine. The dealership didn't tighten the steering head bearings enough, and they routed the wiring harness incorrectly... but the bike still runs great and everything works, so I can't really complain too much. I've got my baby back, and I'm riding the balls off of it again.

Charles.

ChopperCharles 09-29-2020 11:34 AM

Does anyone know how to edjust the fuel map on the Delphi MT-05 ECU that comes in the Buccaneer?

Charles

ChopperCharles 10-16-2020 11:06 AM

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Here's the bike all back together after the frame replacement, a wash, new Continental Escape tires, and... err, a lost license plate.

Edit - not sure why my image isn't uploading. So here's some pics linked from another forum.

https://advrider.com/f/attachments/f...-jpeg.2527244/

https://advrider.com/f/attachments/8...-jpeg.2527241/

Charles.

JerryHawk250 10-16-2020 11:42 AM

Bike looks great. :tup: Yeah, quadz is still trying to get the picture issue straighten out. For the time being you will have to reduce the image size to 97kb or smaller to upload.

OKG 12-14-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopperCharles (Post 346876)
Does anyone know how to edjust the fuel map on the Delphi MT-05 ECU that comes in the Buccaneer?

Charles

Same Q for me. This MT-05 ECU was also used in the early 2000s Harley Davidson... may a point to start research.

ChopperCharles 12-14-2020 12:08 PM

I've got Dobeck making and loading a custom program onto the EJK (Electronic jet kit) I purchased. We will see if that makes a difference.

The harley program worked for low and mid range, but it wouldn't add fuel above about 7000rpm. And since the Buccaneer makes all its power at 8000 rpm, that's a problem. The jump between settings was also too large. It had 0 to 9 in half intervals, and the difference between 0 and 0.5 was from lean to super rich.

Hopefully the new program will work at high rpms, and they'll start selling an EJK specifically for the Buccaneer.

It'd also be great if they'd make one for the CSC RX3, since there's that lovely big bore kit... and it also uses the same Delphi ECU.

Charles

OKG 12-25-2020 06:46 AM

I would look for a coder who is familiar with the ECU and adjust the fuel map directly instead of using additional devices manipulating/faking input signals.

ChopperCharles 06-29-2021 01:42 PM

Gear position sensor lost neutral the other day, pulled it off and part of the plastic around the contacts is cracked. On the SSR microfiche it shows what looks like a screw-in neutral sensor and a gasket. It's an identical picture to the neutral switch for the Yamaha XV250 motor.

The Buccaneer also has an internal part with a contact on it. This is inside the motor, but can come out with a single allen bolt. This part is of course not on the microfiche from SSR. Anybody have a part number for either of these?

Charles.

ChopperCharles 06-29-2021 07:41 PM

Okay, got the part number for the sensor itself. Which is the rubber part with o-ring and wires. That's part # 3101014. However, this is the part I need a number for:

https://advrider.com/f/attachments/i...4-jpg.3053625/

https://advrider.com/f/attachments/i...5-jpg.3053627/

Charles.

ChopperCharles 06-30-2021 11:12 AM

SSR didn't have a listing for the part for the Buccaneer from Italjet. However, they found a similar part from a different SSR bike and it measures correctly. So they're sending me that. If the pin and contact are in the right place I'll post the part number here in case anyone else needs it.

Charles.

OKG 08-26-2021 12:28 PM

Could be a very interesing approach to remap MT-05 ECU. I found https://oldskulltuning.com/delphi-mt...atv-and-bikes/

Offering xdf files for the MT-05 ECU and the Lifan LJ250 is a supported bike. You read out the ECU file, send it to them, pay 30 EUR (approx 25 USD) and receive a remapped file to be loaded to the ECU.

Charles for spare parts of the SSR you can check the british lexmoto for the Lj250-3V (Vendetta) microfiche.

ChopperCharles 08-26-2021 03:06 PM

Bike has been jumping out of gear a bit lately. Engine is running strong, sad to see the transmission is not holding up long-term. But then, I am a fatass. Equivalent to riding 2-up everywhere...

Charles.

ChopperCharles 08-26-2021 03:18 PM

OKG, I'm gonna be honest here, there's no future with ECU remapping of this bike. There are no people available to help if things go south. I can't even get someone to help me diagnose my RX3, which is a FAR more popular bike.

Charles.


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