Anyone know the listed weight capacity for the X? The regular Templar is 440, which I was surprised by how high that was.

I copied and pasted specs into a word document and saved it before they ran out of the X models. It's at home. I will take a look tonight.

Thanks.. you've been super helpful!

This is what I copied from the website before they ran out of stock. On the bill of Sale, and on my post in the photos and videos section, the model number is X7-CB250F. And yes, I see I paid $1849.95 plus $299.95 shipping, for total of $2,149.90
My MO sales tax and registration/title/plate fees came to about $200. So about $2250 total.

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Yeah I found all that on a 3rd party site earlier, it seems like it's the only bike that leaves out weight/rider capacity. I would guess it would be the same as both the X-Pro Templar and X-Pro Apollo are 440.

Another difference I noticed is the gas can size, I think regular Templar is only 1.7 gallons. The X having more is great.

Usually, the MCO has the G.V.W.R (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) which is the total weight including max payload. It's needed for most DMVs and some state inspections.

What is your plan? Are you thinking of luggage for adventure sport?

I owned a Suzuki DL1000 Vstrom. It was torquey and FUN to drive, but not exactly at home anywhere but the road and a nice hardpack logger road! The Honda African twin is an extreme example. There are videos on youtube of the need for TWO people to right the thing on the trail:D

A reasonable luggage adaption could work well on the X. But keep in mind that tall bikes put that weight in a position that you end up lifting it all if you fall over!

Oh I don't plan on hauling anything, Im just a bigger than average dude so I want to make sure it's not like a 220lb rider capacity like I've seen on some other bikes.

I’m about 230 and the adjustable suspension makes it a non-issue.
I could definitely use a stiffer spring in the back but it’s nothing that really impedes on the bike.
I can tell the hot weather really takes some power out of the girl but I still too
Out at about 65, cooler weather was around 70.

Which rear sprocket did you buy?

The 42 tooth from Amazon is what I like best here's a link.


JT Sprockets JTR210.42 42T Steel Rear Sprocket , black https://a.co/d/cXLPLH4

I believe you might be able to run a 38T in the rear now with the 14 front sprocket. But 1st gear would be to quick for trails in my opinion.

A link to the 38T I used..

JT Sprockets JTR897.38 38T Steel Rear Sprocket black 38 Tooth 1 https://a.co/d/8U0whlY

PSM is now saying 2 months before X's back in stock. Really sucks!

I did some research last month on the Templar while daily watching for X model to be back in inventory.

What I found is still very impressive and depending on your style of riding if may fit better. It appears to be a Wuyi Zuma built bike. The same as the TemplarX. Being shorter appeals to me for tight trails especially with the torque from the ZS172FMM3-A motor. Here is the link to what I believe is the manufacturer. Was correct for the TemplarX. I believe the model is a K5 or K7.

https://zuumav.m.en.alibaba.com/

Nutcracker's link to the Wuyi Zuma informational website shows a number of different models. I can't find the exact combination of specs that my X model came with. My MCO shows the model is X7-CB250F. I find that EXACT model number in the Enduro models under the products pulldown, but with minor differences... Nibbi instead of YouALL smoothbore carb I got, shows 6 speed/"5 speed optional" (which is what my 172FMM-3A has), other minor differences, though I think exact specifications may change (no engine guard on the pics).

The K7 (frame?) also comes with a liquid cooled 300cc engine (K7-NC300). It is a four valve 6 speed engine. NC appears to be the liquid cooled notation-there is an NC250 as well.

I think that NC300 engine would swap right out on my K7-CB250F frame with no electrical changes, and the radiator mounts are present on this frame.

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Here is the K7-NC250 model. They are also showing this as a 6 speed/four valve:

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I sure would like to see the engine model number stamp on these engines. There is a bigger H7L-NC450, which looks like real fun :tup:

I think the smaller gas tank and frame being smaller and potentially harder to fit upgrades into are enough to back me away from the regular Templar.

I almost wanna try and find one on Alibaba and buy it direct. So far though most have a higher than 1 at a time minimum order quantity. And I don't know what other issues there would end up being. Not to mention customer support would be a nightmare I bet lol.

Valve adjustment, and Spark plug pic
 

I have maybe just over 200 miles on the Templar. I changed the oil and adjusted the exhaust valve (back to ~ 0.006inch). It had tightened up a little. The intake was still at ~ 0.005inches.

I took the plug out for the procedure to make it easier to control. While adjusting, I noticed that the crankshaft spins very nicely, and in fact the valve springs rotate the shaft as the cams roll off to zero lift. Smooth as silk (and good strong valve springs). Nice!

Here is a picture of the plug. Looks perfect. It is a YouALL smoothbore PE30.
OEM Main jet was #120. Changed to #125
OEM Pilot jet was #40, Changed to #45 (#42 is better-#45 doesn't need choke for cold weather start)
One washer shim on the needle (~1mm).

It starter instantly and ran GREAT when I got it all back together. I took a quick trail ride and had a blast :yay:
Perfect jetting.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...dbef3fa7_w.jpg

Those importers put $20,000 or more into an order (probably more often like $40k or $50k) and get a load of bikes shipped. They deal with import fees and shipping costs to get them to that warehouse in the Dallas 'burb. This approach gives them really low cost per unit and they can offer them to us for such awesome prices. I wish they would get some K7-NC450s. Even if they charged $3500, it would be worth paying.

****The NC450 ENGINE is Zongshen ZS194MQ
Yes. It is available. It is a 41hp engine.
https://aj1moto.com/products/zongshe...zs194mq-engine
GPX motors also sells this as a crate motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU6EUzgLWyk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvDSJFCbxwA

That would be sick. I think long term 450 is what I'll end up with. Figured 250 was a good place to start though. I'm counting days until alleged stock is back.. about 58 more.

engines
 

https://aj1moto.com/collections/engines
41hp NC450 ?? UPDATE- COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOUNTING POSITIONS-INCOMPATIBLE
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Or NC300??? UPDATE- COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOUNTING POSITIONS-INCOMPATIBLE
The beauty of replacing the engine is that you can put an engine that is only sold on an off-road bike into a bike that you all ready have licensed and plated (like my K7 CB250F). The 4 valve NC300 is a 25hp engine, liquid cooled, and available in a 6 speed, balanced. Replacement radiators are available, so no problem there. This would be lots of work. The first step is verifying mounting positions line up or can be adapted. I would settle for that, unless the NC450 fits into the K7 frame
NO! -UPDATE- COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOUNTING POSITIONS-INCOMPATIBLE

So this is pure speculation but I believe PSM will be getting 300cc bikes soon. Full size quantity bikes are showing up at many China Bike importers for $3k to 5k. PSM has the best Value Pricing in my opinion on bikes for what you receive. Wondering if in 2 months when PSM has the TemplarX back in inventory they introduce the 300cc size bikes at a bargain.

These 300cc engines are showing up everywhere in UK bikes & there 30HP+. If I could get my hands on some of these engines....

Unless these bikes are on the EPA's "Annual Certification Data" spreadsheet I would not believe it. Unless they are off road use only. https://www.epa.gov/system/files/doc...6-present.xlsx

Unfortunately, it looks like the engine mounts on the NC450 are very different. NC300 four valve engine (ZS174MN, that makes 25hp also seems very different. OEM 249cc ZS172FMM-3A has ~90mm between forward two mounting positions and ~160mm between the rear two mounting positions (this one):
https://aj1moto.com/collections/engi...-cb249f-engine


On the other hand...the PR250 (ZS172FMM-5), which is a 6 speed and has the balancing shaft, appears to have the same bolt pattern as the ZS172FMM-3A (stock engine on the Templar X):
https://aj1moto.com/collections/engi...n-pr250-engine

Even if it fits though, this is a modest upgrade: same hp rating, but with a sixth gear and the balance shaft.

So, unless someone has a good suggestion, I see no viable direct replacements for the stock engine besides the PR250, which isn't really worth the money for an extra gear.

The model numbers are a bit confusing, my non-x is K5-CB250F. A titan with the 172FMM?

The Orion RXB header/muffler fits with some welding modifications, everything fits with welding modifications…

Front sprocket is next, thanks for the pics.

It looks like the PR250 mounts are a bit off too.
Honestly I’d pay for the 6th gear.
Power wise I think Joe Henner is going to be the go to guy with his 300cc kit.

Hopefully this works…

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?a...pictureid=2179

The RXB header, 39mm. The rear part I cut and welded ain’t nearly as pretty…

My short straw frame…

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?a...pictureid=2180

Well I have gone back to the factory Youall carb.
Using stock jetting on the youall a 125 jet is running rich for me. Last ride I had it on (around 50 miles driving it to our new house) it would start to drown above 9000 rpm.
The Mikuni is a better carb for a lot of reasons, but primarily due to its ease of tuning. Once you’ve got the pilot circuit figured out you never need to remove the bowl again. Swapping mains only requires removing a nut at the bottom of the bowl. It is an exceptional piece of machinery, truly.
However, I came to realize that I was fighting not with jets but with the needle profile and slide cutaway. Mikuni slides (from what I’ve gathered) come with cutouts numbered from 1 to 2.5 in .5 segments (for the vm28 anyway). The carb comes jetted 60/200 pilot/main and has an appropriately sized cutaway (2.5) and needle (5P21) for that size jetting-way, WAY too large for the 250. In fact according to the Mikuni VM tuning manual 28mm is at the bleeding edge of being too large for a 20hp 250-26mm is what they would say is appropriate I think. Then you have to figure out a needle profile. 5 or 6 step, and a dozen different needles makes it a pain for a noob.
The stock carb has a much smaller cutaway and a much thinner needle profile than the Mikuni and that made a world of difference in consistency.
It is slower, but we’re talking 2-3mph at the absolute top of the RPM range in 5th gear-however the heat may very well account for that.
I have a 26 floating around that I may try in the future (it’s much smaller than the youall) but for now it’s fine lol.

I need to cut out the cat and weld in a piece of straight pipe to replace it but I wasn’t sure what size the pipe is, is that 39mm the size of the header pipe or flange?

That YouALL carb should be a smoothbore like the one that came with mine. It is a great carb. I made minor changes, pilot 40 > 45 and main 120 > 125, and shimmed with one washer (about 1mm).
I am at about 850 feet. No mods. When I pulled the plug, it looked perfect. Starts easy, choke off right away. This should be OK when it gets cold too.

Now I keep getting these Zuumav K7-NC300 and K7-NC450 (both 6 speed) adds from AliExpress on the lower screen banner pop up add this forum has.
It is exasperating to see these incredible bikes selling for under $2500, but then shipping is time consuming, at risk for damage, and expensive!

PSM is teasing.. they put the Templar X back up on their page, and it's a refurbished one but then it says Out of Stock on it and no way to purchase it. Annoying! I actually almost bought a Suzuki DRZ400S a day ago, but the deal fell through.

It will be worth waiting for. It's a great bike. I can't stand riding with temps hovering near or above 200, so I am not riding either.

I bought it at 5:55 am this morning, not sure why they still have it up on the site. I got the Templar a little over a month ago but really wanted the x. I’ll post the differences from an owning both perspective once it arrives.

Above 100F, not 200. lol

Dude I wanna kill you. I've been checking their site once every like 2 hours for over a week lol.

The sales rep said they should have more in stock in a week or so

It's OK riddler! You may spend another few hundred, but it will be a new one with no scratched up parts, and maybe a color choice! Yup. I got the orange...Good things come to those who wait.;)

Just look at this close up of the adjustable dog-legged clutch lever (and finger lever choke). This lets you set how close the lever is to the grip, then adjust the cable to engage/disengage the clutch where you want it to:tup:
You can see the adjuster (stainless steel, which is all over this bike!) above the choke lever cable:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a6cd6ece_w.jpg

The brake lever has a similar adjuster. You can place these levers EXACTLY where you want them. What other dual sports bikes have this ?!!

And check out these radiator mounts on the frame (under the rectifier, in front of the valve adjust port). They use them on this air cooled model to mount a metal frame and plastic louvers to guide air to the engine. If you put oil coolers there, it would be even better:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...56bfb840_w.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2f91f7c6_w.jpg

Nice.. they told me 2 weeks about a week ago, then said 2 months. Been looking at other bike options on Facebook and Craigslist since but really do want the Temp X, seems like it has everything I want, plus this glorious thread for upgrade advice and how-to info.

The waits killing me!