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Alaskan-Dad · 01-17-2009, 06:40 PM

Shsss don't tell anyone but Marijuana Reform has more votes than any other subject on Obama's change.gov website! Bet that one will quickly be swept under the carpet

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IronFist · 01-17-2009, 10:28 PM

It was a week from de-criminalization here in Canada under our last Prime Minister. Then Harper took over. Our current top dog takes (Many) his cues from Bush admin.

On Tuesday our Government won't know what to do

Jim · 01-17-2009, 11:27 PM

Isn't he still kind of on the way oot though?

IronFist · 01-18-2009, 01:25 AM

I really hope so, but for selfish reasons. If we go "L", the PM will be from my riding. Ignatiaff is Lakeshore South. If there's another Shwinnagate where the PM dumps huge bucks into his own riding, I'll be a part of it.

SpeedSouth · 01-19-2009, 12:29 AM

According to this link it was already swept under the carpet once.

Granted, NORML.org is dedicated to the issue, but there are at least 3 different articles on this one subject alone.

suprf1y · 01-19-2009, 04:38 PM

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Our current top dog takes all his cues from Bush admin.

I wish you would stop posting garbage like this.

IronFist · 01-19-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by suprf1y

Quote:

Our current top dog takes all his cues from Bush admin.

I wish you would stop posting garbage like this.

Sorry I meant to say, only on.
crime and punnishment
taxation
privatization of services
overseeing food production. as in Maple Leaf foods and cheeze in Quebec
Gun laws
Not seeing a global monitary crisis a week before talking bailouts
Both putting billions into American Car Industry
Taking over and proguing Parliment
The use of Military
Environmental issues.
access to information
The press's access to Government
Land destruction for oil.
thirst for power, the will to keep it

Yet you are correct, many more ways that they are not alike. Our guy is taller, he speaks well, got good grades in school, didn't own a ball team, the list goes on and on. I didn't intend to stereotype anyone, especially a lawyer. I should have said that there are many ways that the two men are alike, which I believe to be true.

It is also true that our government doesn't know what to expect yet from our largest trading partner. We might have to adapt Kyoto, because we don't want to be the only country not to adopt it. It's not Harper's first choice. But we might get shamed into it. We won't shape those policies until USA has answered them for themselves and the western hemisphere.

Then I should have said we adopt some of our policies from what ever admin. is currently in power down south. Which is so true that I won't give examples. But since the Bush admin is still in power till tomorrow; we make policies (some) based on the Bush admin. Since both Bush and Harper are "C"onservative, it stands to reason that they see eye to eye. Therefore Harper, (our top dog) takes many (but not all) his cues from the Bush admin. when it's in his intrest to do so.

I believe I've been clear and fair. But I type slow. I was too brief originally, but I did add a laughing face to make the point that I was obviously not being as serious as I should have been. I'm sorry to whom ever I angered I'll remove it, though I believe it to be 95% truthfull, it's not likely to be 100% true.

IronFist · 01-19-2009, 06:35 PM

Well if wasting an hour doesn't teach me to not post, I don't know what will. I'm sorry for trying to be flippant and funny. It happens to me once in a while reading. I'm still learning. Have a great day and enjoy the site.

IronFist · 01-19-2009, 09:45 PM

I'm reporting myself to the moderator forum. Gave myself a warning. I said sorry privately and publicly, so I'm not starting a petition to ban myself, yet. But I am going to keep an eye on Iron Fist for a while. :?

VinceDrake · 01-19-2009, 09:49 PM

You have violated the Voice Morality Code!

You will be fined one and one half credits!

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go use the 3 sea shells...

--Vince

IronFist · 01-19-2009, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinceDrake

You have violated the Voice Morality Code!

You will be fined one and one half credits!

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go use the 3 sea shells...

--Vince

I've been judged. 8O

VinceDrake · 01-19-2009, 10:04 PM

Could be worse, you could have been Demolished...

--Vince

IronFist · 01-19-2009, 10:18 PM

Dread had a nice bike, but to big for me, I would get demolished

suprf1y · 01-20-2009, 09:43 AM

I have no interest in starting a political fight, but I will address the list you posted.
I will not respond further

crime and punnishment - getting tougher on crime is a bad thing?

taxation - lowering our taxes is a bad thing? ( you don't think we already pay FAR too much)

privatization of services - Example, and also the list of privatized businesses from the liberal era?

overseeing food production. as in Maple Leaf foods and cheeze in Quebec - he was responsible how? (you're not serious, here, are you?)

Gun laws - Have not changed. The liberal registration scheme was nothing but a mishandled, money wasting joke. Remind me, was it $1 billion, and it achieved what?

Not seeing a global monitary crisis a week before talking bailouts - everybody saw it coming, he just didn't overreact until the band of idiots forced his hand. One might suggest (correctly) that Canadian policies have prevented us from being in as serious trouble as some countries.

Both putting billions into American Car Industry - I don't agree with the bailouts, but it was, infact, the liberals, and NDP that were pushing for this.
Harper was against it.

Taking over and proguing Parliment - He is the PM, thats what hes supposed to do. He has the support of the majority of the country.

The use of Military - I don't agree with their policies here.

Environmental issues - no different than any leader before, nor after him.

access to information - explanation?

The press's access to Government - This is my favourite part of the Harper strategy. Absolutely brilliant. IMO, there is no more dangerous force today to any party than the media. They are omnipresent, and self important.
They can destroy a person in a single day, with no regard for the truth.
I stopped listening/watching/reading the news 25yrs ago, and it was the smartest thing I've ever done. You can believe NONE of it. The reporting on the liberal/NDP coalition is a beautiful example of just how bad it is.

Land destruction for oil - Different from any of our previous leaders, how?

thirst for power, the will to keep it - no politician before him was like this, right? They're all power hungry, thats why they're there.

Pay attention.
He is a CONSERVATIVE. These are typical conservative policies. What do you expect? Suggesting that hes taking 'cues' from bush is just nonsense.
Sure, I'm conservative, but I defy you to suggest a better leader for our country. Dion is a bumbling idiot. Layton, nice guy, but NDP.
Ignattief? A rookie politician whos more American than Harper will ever be. You want to talk about power hungry, I hope this guy never manages to get voted in.
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frostbite · 01-20-2009, 10:27 AM

Sorry Fist, but I'm with supf1y on this one. Harper's biggest drawback is his personality, aking to a dead fish. Fortunately that doesn't make him a bad PM. Too often we've voted for politicians who had better PR than substance. I'm not saying he' s the 2nd coming, but he's arguably the best we've got at present.

He did lower the GST after all and he did suspend the practically useless Gun Registry (Yay $60 rebate). BTW, gang bangers in TO aren't registering their 9mm.

Harper is a career economist. Ignatief is a career academic who spent the majority of his life outside Canada. Who would you rather have running the show when the economy is in the tank?

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IronFist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 2,585	It was a week from de-criminalization here in Canada under our last Prime Minister. Then Harper took over. Our current top dog takes (Many) his cues from Bush admin. On Tuesday our Government won't know what to do __________________ IronFist ___________________________________ The "chain" of command is used for beating spammers. ___________________________________
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IronFist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 2,585	I really hope so, but for selfish reasons. If we go "L", the PM will be from my riding. Ignatiaff is Lakeshore South. If there's another Shwinnagate where the PM dumps huge bucks into his own riding, I'll be a part of it. __________________ IronFist ___________________________________ The "chain" of command is used for beating spammers. ___________________________________
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SpeedSouth Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 710	According to this link it was already swept under the carpet once. Granted, NORML.org is dedicated to the issue, but there are at least 3 different articles on this one subject alone. __________________ 2008 American Lifan LF200 GY-5 (930 km) - Sold 2007 Kawasaki EX250 - Sold 2006 Kawasaki EX650R - My new ride! 2005 Kawasaki EX250 - A new project
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IronFist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 2,585	Well if wasting an hour doesn't teach me to not post, I don't know what will. I'm sorry for trying to be flippant and funny. It happens to me once in a while reading. I'm still learning. Have a great day and enjoy the site. __________________ IronFist ___________________________________ The "chain" of command is used for beating spammers. ___________________________________
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IronFist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 2,585	I'm reporting myself to the moderator forum. Gave myself a warning. I said sorry privately and publicly, so I'm not starting a petition to ban myself, yet. But I am going to keep an eye on Iron Fist for a while. :? __________________ IronFist ___________________________________ The "chain" of command is used for beating spammers. ___________________________________
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01-19-2009, 09:49 PM	#10
VinceDrake Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Saskatchewan Posts: 491	You have violated the Voice Morality Code! You will be fined one and one half credits! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go use the 3 sea shells... --Vince __________________ "Sometimes it is better to say nothing, and let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it."
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VinceDrake Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Saskatchewan Posts: 491	Could be worse, you could have been Demolished... --Vince __________________ "Sometimes it is better to say nothing, and let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it."
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IronFist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 2,585	Dread had a nice bike, but to big for me, I would get demolished
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01-20-2009, 09:43 AM	#14
suprf1y Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SW Ontario Posts: 408	I have no interest in starting a political fight, but I will address the list you posted. I will not respond further crime and punnishment - getting tougher on crime is a bad thing? taxation - lowering our taxes is a bad thing? ( you don't think we already pay FAR too much) privatization of services - Example, and also the list of privatized businesses from the liberal era? overseeing food production. as in Maple Leaf foods and cheeze in Quebec - he was responsible how? (you're not serious, here, are you?) Gun laws - Have not changed. The liberal registration scheme was nothing but a mishandled, money wasting joke. Remind me, was it $1 billion, and it achieved what? Not seeing a global monitary crisis a week before talking bailouts - everybody saw it coming, he just didn't overreact until the band of idiots forced his hand. One might suggest (correctly) that Canadian policies have prevented us from being in as serious trouble as some countries. Both putting billions into American Car Industry - I don't agree with the bailouts, but it was, infact, the liberals, and NDP that were pushing for this. Harper was against it. Taking over and proguing Parliment - He is the PM, thats what hes supposed to do. He has the support of the majority of the country. The use of Military - I don't agree with their policies here. Environmental issues - no different than any leader before, nor after him. access to information - explanation? The press's access to Government - This is my favourite part of the Harper strategy. Absolutely brilliant. IMO, there is no more dangerous force today to any party than the media. They are omnipresent, and self important. They can destroy a person in a single day, with no regard for the truth. I stopped listening/watching/reading the news 25yrs ago, and it was the smartest thing I've ever done. You can believe NONE of it. The reporting on the liberal/NDP coalition is a beautiful example of just how bad it is. Land destruction for oil - Different from any of our previous leaders, how? thirst for power, the will to keep it - no politician before him was like this, right? They're all power hungry, thats why they're there. Pay attention. He is a CONSERVATIVE. These are typical conservative policies. What do you expect? Suggesting that hes taking 'cues' from bush is just nonsense. Sure, I'm conservative, but I defy you to suggest a better leader for our country. Dion is a bumbling idiot. Layton, nice guy, but NDP. Ignattief? A rookie politician whos more American than Harper will ever be. You want to talk about power hungry, I hope this guy never manages to get voted in. [/i]
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01-20-2009, 10:27 AM	#15
frostbite Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fredericton, NB, Canada Posts: 1,744	Sorry Fist, but I'm with supf1y on this one. Harper's biggest drawback is his personality, aking to a dead fish. Fortunately that doesn't make him a bad PM. Too often we've voted for politicians who had better PR than substance. I'm not saying he' s the 2nd coming, but he's arguably the best we've got at present. He did lower the GST after all and he did suspend the practically useless Gun Registry (Yay $60 rebate). BTW, gang bangers in TO aren't registering their 9mm. Harper is a career economist. Ignatief is a career academic who spent the majority of his life outside Canada. Who would you rather have running the show when the economy is in the tank? __________________ Frostbite "The beatings will continue until moral improves"
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