Hawk 250 Overland Travel Bike? - Page 2

Wolftrax · 01-27-2016, 08:43 PM

Had a nice chat with Adam at RPS yesterday. He spoke with their head mechanic about my plans and the Hawk's ability to meet them. The mechanics only concern was piston seize from overheating on long high speed runs. In the heat. Wonder if an oil cooler could be rigged up. I know a guy who seized a piston on a Yammy 250 in Costa Rica. He did a top end in the parking lot of his hotel and scraped the cylinder walls with a knife to clean up the scoring. Made it all the way to Chile.

Weldangrind · 01-28-2016, 10:28 AM

There are two types of oil cooler for the CG motor that I've seen; one has a bypass valve, and the other does not. Either cooler provides a new valve cover, and it taps into the pressurized oil that feeds the valve springs. An IN and OUT fitting on the valve cover are then connected to supplied braided hoses (via banjo fittings), and then connected to the heat exchanger. There is at least a couple of heat exchanger sizes to choose from.

You'd have to cobble some mounting brackets together, but that would be the hardest part.

Here's one: http://world.taobao.com/item/1868825...1.14.77.YOji84

Wolftrax · 01-29-2016, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

There are two types of oil cooler for the CG motor that I've seen; one has a bypass valve, and the other does not. Either cooler provides a new valve cover, and it taps into the pressurized oil that feeds the valve springs. An IN and OUT fitting on the valve cover are then connected to supplied braided hoses (via banjo fittings), and then connected to the heat exchanger. There is at least a couple of heat exchanger sizes to choose from.

You'd have to cobble some mounting brackets together, but that would be the hardest part.

Here's one: http://world.taobao.com/item/1868825...1.14.77.YOji84

Brilliant Weld, thanks. The more I research Chinese bikes the more I like them, inexpensive parts and the awesome support of those community,

SeerAtlas · 02-05-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

There are two types of oil cooler for the CG motor that I've seen; one has a bypass valve, and the other does not. Either cooler provides a new valve cover, and it taps into the pressurized oil that feeds the valve springs. An IN and OUT fitting on the valve cover are then connected to supplied braided hoses (via banjo fittings), and then connected to the heat exchanger. There is at least a couple of heat exchanger sizes to choose from.

You'd have to cobble some mounting brackets together, but that would be the hardest part.

Here's one: http://world.taobao.com/item/1868825...1.14.77.YOji84

weld, can u see a oil kit for the 229 in the hawk on this site? my chinese is pretty much limited these days to hello , wheres the bathroom and how many children do u have lol

Weldangrind · 02-05-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SeerAtlas

weld, can u see a oil kit for the 229 in the hawk on this site? my chinese is pretty much limited these days to hello , wheres the bathroom and how many children do u have lol

You're ahead of me; I don't speak any of the Chinese languages.

I doubt that there is a Hawk-specific cooler. The cooler is designed for the engine, not the bike. I've seen the banjo fittings in two different configurations at the valve cover, so you'd need to examine your bike to determine the best fit. Whichever cooler you choose will require at least some ingenuity on your part.

Wolftrax · 02-05-2016, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SeerAtlas

weld, can u see a oil kit for the 229 in the hawk on this site? my chinese is pretty much limited these days to hello , wheres the bathroom and how many children do u have lol

Here's an English version.

http://www.banggood.com/Oil-Cooler-C..._content=73669

SeerAtlas · 02-05-2016, 05:23 PM

i assume the cg150 cover shown is NOT the same dimensions as the one on the 229 hawk. lol

SpudRider · 01-30-2016, 08:49 PM

Good for you, Mark.

Weldangrind · 02-01-2016, 10:13 AM

I'm looking forward to following your build, Mark.

Wolftrax · 02-01-2016, 10:26 AM

Thanks Spud and Weld. This bike is going to be a blast to build and hopefully a success for it's chosen mission. I'm amazed at how inexpensive parts are. Plus the support on this forum is terrific. Will definitely share my experiences here.

Wolftrax · 02-03-2016, 08:13 PM

The eagle has landed,excuse me, I mean the Hawk has landed. Wasn't expecting it till Friday. Ordered Monday from Dallas and it arrived today in Rabun County Georgia. Unfortunately I'm in Harrisonburg Va and won't get home till Friday. Heck I don't even no if I goth the stealthy black one or the faster red.

culcune · 02-03-2016, 08:39 PM

I am happy to read about this, but selfishly upset that you most likely will not be riding through Yuma

. Seriously, I am happy to read of such a ride, because I have been thinking of setting low-budget tours from Yuma on Chinabikes, and the Hawk is about as low in price as one can go! I would be interested to know all the bolts you plan on replacing before the ride (or the ones you figure out that need replacing from your break-in riding).

Now, I need someone to copy your ride on a CSC TT, CSC RX3, and one of the Bashan 229cc enduros, and perhaps even on a Pitster Pro XTR (I have been eyeing one of those for my tax return...).

Wolftrax · 02-03-2016, 08:59 PM

Hi

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Originally Posted by culcune

I am happy to read about this, but selfishly upset that you most likely will not be riding through Yuma

. Seriously, I am happy to read of such a ride, because I have been thinking of setting low-budget tours from Yuma on Chinabikes, and the Hawk is about as low in price as one can go! I would be interested to know all the bolts you plan on replacing before the ride (or the ones you figure out that need replacing from your break-in riding).

Now, I need someone to copy your ride on a CSC TT, CSC RX3, and one of the Bashan 229cc enduros, and perhaps even on a Pitster Pro XTR (I have been eyeing one of those for my tax return...).

I am still planning on going through Baja and Yuma is on the way. I would still like to take you up on your hospitality. I would.love to sit down with you and discuss your rental/tour plans.

culcune · 02-04-2016, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolftrax

Hi
I am still planning on going through Baja and Yuma is on the way. I would still like to take you up on your hospitality. I would.love to sit down with you and discuss your rental/tour plans.

I do hope to see you! Are you planning on a rear sprocket? I would think that even with a 17t countersprocket, the 56 is too much! My TMEC came with that setup as stock and I hated it. Even the 48 I ordered was a little too low.

Wolftrax · 02-04-2016, 04:28 AM

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I do hope to see you! Are you planning on a rear sprocket? I would think that even with a 17t countersprocket, the 56 is too much! My TMEC came with that setup as stock and I hated it. Even the 48 I ordered was a little too low.

Yes, I've already ordered a 17T counter and a 45T rear. Probably get a 16T a well. That will be a nice range to experiment with.

01-27-2016, 08:43 PM	#1
Wolftrax Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Blue Ridge Mtns Ga Posts: 437	Had a nice chat with Adam at RPS yesterday. He spoke with their head mechanic about my plans and the Hawk's ability to meet them. The mechanics only concern was piston seize from overheating on long high speed runs. In the heat. Wonder if an oil cooler could be rigged up. I know a guy who seized a piston on a Yammy 250 in Costa Rica. He did a top end in the parking lot of his hotel and scraped the cylinder walls with a knife to clean up the scoring. Made it all the way to Chile. __________________ Mark 2015 Haosen Hawk 250 2014 CRF250L 2014 CB500X Rally Raid
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01-28-2016, 10:28 AM	#2
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	There are two types of oil cooler for the CG motor that I've seen; one has a bypass valve, and the other does not. Either cooler provides a new valve cover, and it taps into the pressurized oil that feeds the valve springs. An IN and OUT fitting on the valve cover are then connected to supplied braided hoses (via banjo fittings), and then connected to the heat exchanger. There is at least a couple of heat exchanger sizes to choose from. You'd have to cobble some mounting brackets together, but that would be the hardest part. Here's one: http://world.taobao.com/item/1868825...1.14.77.YOji84 __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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02-05-2016, 05:23 PM	#7
SeerAtlas Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 770	cooler i assume the cg150 cover shown is NOT the same dimensions as the one on the 229 hawk. lol __________________ Seer's First LAW-"FLY THE PLANE!", fail that, and nothing else matters. 12th Law- Consider what marvels you might do if only you had tomorrow to live over again. Third Law-When someone tells you some thing "Can't Be Done", what they're really saying is They can't do it!!14th Law-Just because something "IS", doesn't necessarily mean it SHOULD be.. Eighth Law-The only true personal security is anonymity.Ninth Law-Humans tend to learn very little when speaking.10th Law-Some lives ARE worth taking
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01-30-2016, 08:49 PM	#8
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Good for you, Mark. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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02-01-2016, 10:13 AM	#9
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I'm looking forward to following your build, Mark. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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02-01-2016, 10:26 AM	#10
Wolftrax Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Blue Ridge Mtns Ga Posts: 437	Thanks Spud and Weld. This bike is going to be a blast to build and hopefully a success for it's chosen mission. I'm amazed at how inexpensive parts are. Plus the support on this forum is terrific. Will definitely share my experiences here. __________________ Mark 2015 Haosen Hawk 250 2014 CRF250L 2014 CB500X Rally Raid
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02-03-2016, 08:13 PM	#11
Wolftrax Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Blue Ridge Mtns Ga Posts: 437	The eagle has landed,excuse me, I mean the Hawk has landed. Wasn't expecting it till Friday. Ordered Monday from Dallas and it arrived today in Rabun County Georgia. Unfortunately I'm in Harrisonburg Va and won't get home till Friday. Heck I don't even no if I goth the stealthy black one or the faster red. __________________ Mark 2015 Haosen Hawk 250 2014 CRF250L 2014 CB500X Rally Raid
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02-03-2016, 08:39 PM	#12
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	I am happy to read about this, but selfishly upset that you most likely will not be riding through Yuma . Seriously, I am happy to read of such a ride, because I have been thinking of setting low-budget tours from Yuma on Chinabikes, and the Hawk is about as low in price as one can go! I would be interested to know all the bolts you plan on replacing before the ride (or the ones you figure out that need replacing from your break-in riding). Now, I need someone to copy your ride on a CSC TT, CSC RX3, and one of the Bashan 229cc enduros, and perhaps even on a Pitster Pro XTR (I have been eyeing one of those for my tax return...). __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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