Mototec X1

Falkon45 · 11-27-2021, 09:38 AM

Well, after a bunch of bikes for my little one, I think I finally found a good one. Picked up a mototec X1. It was listed as a 70cc, but when it got here, I found out it was a 110cc auto. I was happy about this, lol.

It's a pretty cool bike. At first, I thought the carb had a problem, and was about to swap it out. But, when I took off the filter, I found out the choke position indicator was backwards, and it was all good. It had an issue with the starter (electric) locks up, but it seems okay with a few tries. It's also very fast. The thing launches like crazy. It takes me up to third hear to start catching up to it when I follow on my Apollo! It tops out at almost 34 mph.

The only thing I hate about it is that it has two hand brakes. I was hoping it had a foot rear brake, but it doesn't. But, it's good for the kiddo for now.

wheelbender6 · 11-27-2021, 05:55 PM

Sounds like fun. Are there good trails nearby?

Falkon45 · 11-27-2021, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelbender6

Sounds like fun. Are there good trails nearby?

Not really. We're close to big nasty ATV park and live oak motor park. But, but are closed for the foreseeable future. Everything else is about 2 hours away. There's an unfinished development we ride at, but that might end once more houses start getting built.

Falkon45 · 12-26-2021, 04:23 PM

This dang bike... Either the rectifier or stator is shot. Keeps killing the battery. This was too expensive to have problems like this off the bat.

dirtbkr188 · 12-26-2021, 04:54 PM

By chance, are you forgetting to turn the key off, and just shutting the bike off with a kill switch?

Falkon45 · 12-26-2021, 11:21 PM

Nah. It's killed two batteries to beyond being able to recharge. Leaving the key on has no effect, as the battery is only supposed to be used to activate the starter. There's no lights. My other electric start bikes almost never had the keys off. I'm looking up how to test the rectifier. Of that's good, then it's the stator. Thankfully, I have another 110 I bought earlier this year just sitting around.

Amateur · 12-27-2021, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Falkon45

Nah. It's killed two batteries to beyond being able to recharge. Leaving the key on has no effect, as the battery is only supposed to be used to activate the starter. There's no lights. My other electric start bikes almost never had the keys off. I'm looking up how to test the rectifier. Of that's good, then it's the stator. Thankfully, I have another 110 I bought earlier this year just sitting around.

So, you ARE leaving the key on. But you refuse to accept that it's a possible issue for killing batteries.

K

Have you even tested, anything or you just going to keep guessing

**JerryHawk250** · 12-27-2021, 03:27 AM

This is a common problem with these engines on frying batteries. There's been a few post on it in the ATV section. From what I remember, it had to do with high voltage on the stator. I would check the output voltage on the stator and compare it to the bike you're not having issues with.

**JerryHawk250** · 12-27-2021, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Amateur

So, you ARE leaving the key on. But you refuse to accept that it's a possible issue for killing batteries.

K

Have you even tested, anything or you just going to keep guessing

It doesn't matter if the key is left on these. The only time it uses power is when you start it.

Falkon45 · 12-27-2021, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Amateur

So, you ARE leaving the key on. But you refuse to accept that it's a possible issue for killing batteries.

K

Have you even tested, anything or you just going to keep guessing

they key hasn't been left on. Also, my other battery start bikes are normally left with the key on, and don't kill the battery. I'll be testing the rectifier today after work.

franque · 12-27-2021, 12:07 PM

One time I was diagnosing an ATV, and I accidentally left the key on over the weekend... It ended up killing the battery (but not too far gone that it couldn't be recharged), and it also kept the hour meter running... My boss was pissed!

In order to contribute something useful, I would check to see that the RR isn't leaking A/C voltage to the battery. Strangely, batteries don't seem to like that!

Falkon45 · 12-27-2021, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

This is a common problem with these engines on frying batteries. There's been a few post on it in the ATV section. From what I remember, it had to do with high voltage on the stator. I would check the output voltage on the stator and compare it to the bike you're not having issues with.

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Originally Posted by franque

One time I was diagnosing an ATV, and I accidentally left the key on over the weekend... It ended up killing the battery (but not too far gone that it couldn't be recharged), and it also kept the hour meter running... My boss was pissed!

In order to contribute something useful, I would check to see that the RR isn't leaking A/C voltage to the battery. Strangely, batteries don't seem to like that!

Yeah, those are things I'll look at. So far, everything is acting like when I had this same thing happen in my car when my alternator had problems. I put in a higher voltage alternator, but it was too much, and would stop charging, but the car wouldn't give a charge light until the battery was so low that it couldn't power the ignition and all the accessories. The AC voltage leaking makes sense too. Typically, with a fresh battery, bike runs like a bat out of hell. Now that I'm thinking in hindsight, about the time the bike starts running like crap, is about the time it refuses to start.

Both batteries I had in the bike both now have .01-.03 VDC Would AC voltage do that to the battery? I figured the coil would draw out enough voltage over time to completely drain the battery, but I would still expect at least 9 volts.

franque · 12-27-2021, 01:45 PM

It sounds like you have a short or draw somewhere... I would look over the wiring carefully. It shouldn't get that low (it could be a dead cell or two), but usually when a battery gets to be that low of a voltage, it tends to not be revivable because that low of a voltage causes a chemical phase called sulfating (a buildup of sulfur on the lead plates). It's possible that AC would get the battery hot enough to kill the cells. I would run a test to see if anything is drawing power with the key on/off.

http://testmeterpro.com/parasitic-dr...-a-multimeter/

This is for cars, but the principles are the same.

Falkon45 · 12-27-2021, 03:29 PM

Thank you!! I'm very weak with electrical side of things, so this is a humongous help.

65cabriolet · 12-27-2021, 05:22 PM

In your first post you said you had issues with the starter, is the lock up mechanical in nature or is there possibly something else wrong that would be affecting the battery?

11-27-2021, 09:38 AM	#1
Falkon45 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 759	Mototec X1 Well, after a bunch of bikes for my little one, I think I finally found a good one. Picked up a mototec X1. It was listed as a 70cc, but when it got here, I found out it was a 110cc auto. I was happy about this, lol. It's a pretty cool bike. At first, I thought the carb had a problem, and was about to swap it out. But, when I took off the filter, I found out the choke position indicator was backwards, and it was all good. It had an issue with the starter (electric) locks up, but it seems okay with a few tries. It's also very fast. The thing launches like crazy. It takes me up to third hear to start catching up to it when I follow on my Apollo! It tops out at almost 34 mph. The only thing I hate about it is that it has two hand brakes. I was hoping it had a foot rear brake, but it doesn't. But, it's good for the kiddo for now.
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11-27-2021, 05:55 PM	#2
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12-27-2021, 03:27 AM	#8
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12-26-2021, 04:23 PM	#4
Falkon45 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 759	This dang bike... Either the rectifier or stator is shot. Keeps killing the battery. This was too expensive to have problems like this off the bat.
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12-26-2021, 04:54 PM	#5
dirtbkr188 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 514	By chance, are you forgetting to turn the key off, and just shutting the bike off with a kill switch?
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12-26-2021, 11:21 PM	#6
Falkon45 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 759	Nah. It's killed two batteries to beyond being able to recharge. Leaving the key on has no effect, as the battery is only supposed to be used to activate the starter. There's no lights. My other electric start bikes almost never had the keys off. I'm looking up how to test the rectifier. Of that's good, then it's the stator. Thankfully, I have another 110 I bought earlier this year just sitting around.
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12-27-2021, 12:07 PM	#11
franque Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Marseille, France -> Conakry, Guinea Posts: 1,481	One time I was diagnosing an ATV, and I accidentally left the key on over the weekend... It ended up killing the battery (but not too far gone that it couldn't be recharged), and it also kept the hour meter running... My boss was pissed! In order to contribute something useful, I would check to see that the RR isn't leaking A/C voltage to the battery. Strangely, batteries don't seem to like that!
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12-27-2021, 01:45 PM	#13
franque Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Marseille, France -> Conakry, Guinea Posts: 1,481	It sounds like you have a short or draw somewhere... I would look over the wiring carefully. It shouldn't get that low (it could be a dead cell or two), but usually when a battery gets to be that low of a voltage, it tends to not be revivable because that low of a voltage causes a chemical phase called sulfating (a buildup of sulfur on the lead plates). It's possible that AC would get the battery hot enough to kill the cells. I would run a test to see if anything is drawing power with the key on/off. http://testmeterpro.com/parasitic-dr...-a-multimeter/ This is for cars, but the principles are the same.
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12-27-2021, 03:29 PM	#14
Falkon45 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 759	Thank you!! I'm very weak with electrical side of things, so this is a humongous help.
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12-27-2021, 05:22 PM	#15
65cabriolet Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Brighton CO Posts: 54	In your first post you said you had issues with the starter, is the lock up mechanical in nature or is there possibly something else wrong that would be affecting the battery?
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