Bigger engines for Chinese bikes?

[FunkyChina]

Does anyone know if there are other Chinese bikes with bigger engines? I love the hawk, it’s a blast to ride, but I can’t ride it on the freeway.

If they aren’t made, does anyone know why not?

[NzBrakelathes]

400cc to 650cc
Plenty

[Megadan]

Not many 250cc bikes are really highway capable. Even the more powerful stuff from Japan and Europe are being pushed fairly hard at 70mph, so while they can go faster, they lack passing power.

If you specifically want a more powerful Enduro like the Hawk, then for a 250cc bike you would be looking at the SSR SR250 or the Pitster Pro LXR250F/GPX Moto FSE250R.
There are a couple of 450 class bikes out there. The SSR SR450, or GPX FSE450R.

In any case, you are spending quite a bit more than the cheap Hawks and Bashans. These are more serious bikes with more serious hardware, and the price reflects that. Starting at $3900 and going up past $6000.

As far as road bikes go, there are a few out there that were sold in the US. You can keep your eyes out for a CF Moto 650NK. There are a few new ones still floating around out there. The Benelli 600 and 300 are both sold in the U.S.

Again, these bikes are generally several thousand dollars. You can still find 2014 and 2015 CF Moto 650's for sale with zero miles on them. It might be possible to get them at a heavy discount so the dealer can just get rid of it lol.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Not many 250cc bikes are really highway capable. Even the more powerful stuff from Japan and Europe are being pushed fairly hard at 70mph, so while they can go faster, they lack passing power.

If you specifically want a more powerful Enduro like the Hawk, then for a 250cc bike you would be looking at the SSR SR250 or the Pitster Pro LXR250F/GPX Moto FSE250R.
There are a couple of 450 class bikes out there. The SSR SR450, or GPX FSE450R.

In any case, you are spending quite a bit more than the cheap Hawks and Bashans. These are more serious bikes with more serious hardware, and the price reflects that. Starting at $3900 and going up past $6000.

As far as road bikes go, there are a few out there that were sold in the US. You can keep your eyes out for a CF Moto 650NK. There are a few new ones still floating around out there. The Benelli 600 and 300 are both sold in the U.S.

Again, these bikes are generally several thousand dollars. You can still find 2014 and 2015 CF Moto 650's for sale with zero miles on them. It might be possible to get them at a heavy discount so the dealer can just get rid of it lol.

Your point on 250's is well taken. That was why 350's were considered the minimum size for long distance cruising in Europe, and here. A 350 has considerably more torque than a 250, which allows the 350 to comfortably do what the 250 can only do with maximum effort. That does not mean that the 250 is no fun! Au contraire! In virtually every state in the Union, you can ride a 250 balls to the wall and stay out of trouble with the law dogs...ARH

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

Your point on 250's is well taken. That was why 350's were considered the minimum size for long distance cruising in Europe, and here. A 350 has considerably more torque than a 250, which allows the 350 to comfortably do what the 250 can only do with maximum effort. That does not mean that the 250 is no fun! Au contraire! In virtually every state in the Union, you can ride a 250 balls to the wall and stay out of trouble with the law dogs...ARH

Oh don't get me wrong, I love a little 200-250cc bike. They are a hoot exactly because you can ride the snot out of them and barely break speed limits!

If I were to build my perfect Chinese enduro, I would gladly take a Hawk or TT250 with better front and rear susension and a 350-400cc air cooled single making about 25hp with the reliability of the CG250. That would literally make it all the bike I would ever want or need. Price it up to $3000 or so and I would still buy it.

[wheelbender6]

By the time you found a big bore engine and got it sorted out in the Hawk, you could probably have bought a used 250-300 Ninja that can hit 100mph (eventually).
Consider adding a used Ninja to you stable and keep the Hawk for the trails.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by wheelbender6

By the time you found a big bore engine and got it sorted out in the Hawk, you could probably have bought a used 250-300 Ninja that can hit 100mph (eventually).
Consider adding a used Ninja to you stable and keep the Hawk for the trails.

Nobody is talking about an engine swap here. This is about other bikes with larger engines.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Oh don't get me wrong, I love a little 200-250cc bike. They are a hoot exactly because you can ride the snot out of them and barely break speed limits!

If I were to build my perfect Chinese enduro, I would gladly take a Hawk or TT250 with better front and rear susension and a 350-400cc air cooled single making about 25hp with the reliability of the CG250. That would literally make it all the bike I would ever want or need. Price it up to $3000 or so and I would still buy it.

I agree, a Hawk air-cooled 350 with 35 mm front forks and a decent adjustable rear shock and we would be in tall cotton...ARH

[512customs]

By the time you start looking at the price of bigger engine Chinese bikes, your probably better off going for a nice used drz400s.... hell even 2019 drz400s’ are going new for just over $5700 near me.....

I feel one of the coolest things about these “smaller” engine Chinese bikes is the price point, $1300 to my door brand new? That’s crazy to me. Quality fits the price well I think, a couple extra tweaks and add ons, and you can have a nice bike for cheap!

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by 512customs

By the time you start looking at the price of bigger engine Chinese bikes, your probably better off going for a nice used drz400s.... hell even 2019 drz400s’ are going new for just over $5700 near me.....

I feel one of the coolest things about these “smaller” engine Chinese bikes is the price point, $1300 to my door brand new? That’s crazy to me. Quality fits the price well I think, a couple extra tweaks and add ons, and you can have a nice bike for cheap!

I feel the same way. For what it will cost to do the swap you would be better off just buying one of the bikes Megadan mentioned. But I understand the fun and satisfaction of doing a engine swap project.

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by Megadan

I love a little 200-250cc bike. They are a hoot exactly because you can ride the snot out of them and barely break speed limits!

This is it in a nutshell, MD!

[ChipToothy]

Originally Posted by 512customs

By the time you start looking at the price of bigger engine Chinese bikes, your probably better off going for a nice used drz400s.... hell even 2019 drz400s’ are going new for just over $5700 near me.....

I feel one of the coolest things about these “smaller” engine Chinese bikes is the price point, $1300 to my door brand new? That’s crazy to me. Quality fits the price well I think, a couple extra tweaks and add ons, and you can have a nice bike for cheap!

They only cost about $600 in China. We are literally paying double and triple what they do for some of the countries worst bikes.

[512customs]

Originally Posted by ChipToothy

They only cost about $600 in China. We are literally paying double and triple what they do for some of the countries worst bikes.

Shipping isn’t free!

[NzBrakelathes]

I once saw a Hawk like bike (Shineray small X5) and he mounted a twin CBT250 in it.
I'm pretty sure they bolt in the same hole
The twin comes in 250, 380 and 400ish cc

[culcune]

I am hoping and guessing that with the rollout of fuel-injection, the bikes might get a slight bump in power; I do know that American Lifan's head guy told me that they are going to put the KP200/KPR200's fuel-injected/liquid-cooled engine in the XPect enduro making it 'more' than just another Chinese 200/229cc enduro. Hawk is supposed to be fuel-injected any day now.