Hawk 250 ?s

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by pete

I have wondered how natures wonder lubrcant would work...
Bees wax...

Worth a try. I have never thought of bee's wax. I should check and see what the melting point of each is...ARH

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

Worth a try. I have never thought of bee's wax. I should check and see what the melting point of each is...ARH

Beeswax usuall melts around 140-150 degrees F, which is about 50 degrees hotter than Parafin. Beeswax actually makes a great high pressure lubricant for things like casting, so if it was mixed with something appropriate I could see it doing well for chain treatment. I think the only downside to it I can see is that it is a little bit more brittle than parafin when hardened, so I imagine adding something to the melted wax to create a softer wax when it cools would be necessary.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Beeswax usuall melts around 140-150 degrees F, which is about 50 degrees hotter than Parafin. Beeswax actually makes a great high pressure lubricant for things like casting, so if it was mixed with something appropriate I could see it doing well for chain treatment. I think the only downside to it I can see is that it is a little bit more brittle than parafin when hardened, so I imagine adding something to the melted wax to create a softer wax when it cools would be necessary.

Hah! Now I know why my mother preferred beeswax candles at home, in the San Fernando Valley. Paraffin wax candles used to slump a little in those 90 degree days. Paraffin means a different thing in British Commonwealth countries. Or used to be Commonwealth countries. To them, paraffin means kerosene...ARH

[stretch8668]

My old bike i had chain soaking in gear oil but this talking of using wax got me thinking and a quick google search revealed this: http://www.motosport.com/product/?ad...segment=badger best part is cause its a wax dirt wont stick to it.

[stretch8668]

Also came across this one https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Teflon.../dp/B00KMMFE8Y

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by stretch8668

My old bike i had chain soaking in gear oil but this talking of using wax got me thinking and a quick google search revealed this: http://www.motosport.com/product/?ad...segment=badger best part is cause its a wax dirt wont stick to it.

The product is first rate......but the problem is in how it is applied. The best way to use wax is to heat it up to a liquid state (carefully, don't burn it!) and soak the CLEANED chain in it for an hour or two. This gets the wax and graphite right into the rollers and axles. Pull it out of the barely hot wax with a bent wire coat hanger and let the excess run off. If you do this in the garage, with a camping stove, do the whole job under the garage door. That way you can hang the chain from the garage door to drip back in the pan. For the love of Mike, don't do this in the kitchen, because if you do, don't name me as a correspondent in your divorce trial!!!ARH

[Mudflap]

Wax works great but I highly recommend using a double boiler to heat it or you risk a fire.

[stretch8668]

The 2 links i posted was for an aresol spray.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by stretch8668

How many rpms is motor turning with the 16/40 at 60mph for curiosity

I checked it over the weekend. 6300 @ 60mph.

[stretch8668]

Thanks whats the max rpm of motor i believe i read where it makes max hp at 7000 rpm

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by stretch8668

Thanks whats the max rpm of motor i believe i read where it makes max hp at 7000 rpm

At WOT I push it to 8500 rpm's and not hit the rev limiter. I think it makes its max HP between 6500-7000. I believe no two engines are the same and may develop HP at different rpm's depending on modifications. HAs anyone ever check the actual timing on the engines. I think they will vary from bike to bike which would explain why some of us have no problems breaking 70mph and other that can barely break 60mph. my bike will pull hard till about 8000 rpms.

[stretch8668]

I was watching a motocheese video and he was talking about timing as well as the aftermarket cdi box that has adjustable advance/retard

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Originally Posted by stretch8668

Thanks whats the max rpm of motor i believe i read where it makes max hp at 7000 rpm

Max torque - 4800 - 5000. Max HP, 7300 - 7500. As others have said, it depends on the engine. Airbox and carb improvements help the torque output quite a bit, the exhaust side really needs an aftermarket system, which really lets the engine breathe. For more power than that, we'll have to wait for megadan's porting experiments. This is a lot trickier than it looks, we want better breathing, but not at the expense of a high and short peaky torque curve on a dual purpose motor cycle....ARH

[Megadan]

My engine will wind out to 8000rpm in the lower gears. I just have a problem reaching 70 because I am a big guy. I am pretty sure a more normal sized human could do so with my bike.

I am pretty sure with a basic port cleanup and no real serious porting work it will break that 70mph, but I still wouldn't want to push this bike much further than that, plus I would definitely want to drop the rear sprocket a couple more teeth to really make it ideal for highway use.

[JerryHawk250]

Here's a link to a good sprocket calculator. http://woodsware.aciwebs.com/gears/ Type in 2016 in the filter and the 2016 Haosen Hawk 250 will come up in the list.