"Lifanoid"?

**cheesy** · 08-06-2010, 08:42 AM

Okay, when you guys use the term "lifanoid", are you referring to a specific Lifan or the myriad of Lifan clones? Inquiring minds want to know. Well, at least I do.

Cal25 · 08-06-2010, 09:51 AM

Lifan or more accurately American Lifan made claim a few years ago that their bike was the real deal and all others were inferior copies. In reality most bikes from China are put together with the same parts. The real problem arose when importers used Lifan's Certificates to get past DOT and emmisions requirements instead of doing their own work.

Most of the bikes that were refered to as "Lifanoid" have a model GY2 varient.

Oengus · 08-06-2010, 09:55 AM

Bikes that have a 163FML engine, thatâ€™s the engine used on the Lifan GY-5, since that was identified first all others bikes having that engine were relegated to being a version of it as Lifanoid.
Many of the manufacturers use that engine, some make them and some buy them from others. Loncin and Zongshen manufacture these and many others as well offer the 163FML engine they are based on Honda engine designs CB and CG versions OHC and OHV configurations.

davidsonsgccc · 08-06-2010, 12:58 PM

the zong sierra 200 dualsport uses a copy of the yamaha tw200 bike. almost a complete copy with some improvments.

SpudRider · 08-06-2010, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesy

Okay, when you guys use the term "lifanoid", are you referring to a specific Lifan or the myriad of Lifan clones? Inquiring minds want to know. Well, at least I do.

There is no official definition; I think everyone has his own definition for the term "Lifanoid."

I define "Lifanoid" as a Chinese motorcycle with a Honda cloned engine, which is not distributed by American Lifan, but is very similar to the bikes distributed by them. I include the so-called "Gray Market Lifans" in this definition. Therefore, I group all Chinese motorcycles into four categories:

1. Zongshen
2. Qingqi (Qlink/Konker, et cetera)
3. Official American Lifan
4. Lifanoid (Unofficial American Lifan, but virtually the same motorcycles)

Therefore, to answer your question directly, when I use the term "Lifanoid," I am referring to the "myriad of Lifan clones."

Spud

alkamp · 08-06-2010, 02:15 PM

?? OK so where does my Shineray 200 TMS fall? (besides on its side

)

Cal25 · 08-06-2010, 03:20 PM

I dont see them as "Lifan clones" they are most certainly "honda clones" engine wise. Just because Lifan shows up and starts saying that Lifans are real and others are copies just does not ring true with me. Lifan was trying to corner the market and I dont think it worked. JUST MY OPINION

Cal25 · 08-06-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alkamp

?? OK so where does my Shineray 200 TMS fall? (besides on its side

)

I would call it a GY2 others will say "Lifanoid" either one works!

SpudRider · 08-06-2010, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cal25

I dont see them as "Lifan clones" they are most certainly "honda clones" engine wise. Just because Lifan shows up and starts saying that Lifans are real and others are copies just does not ring true with me. Lifan was trying to corner the market and I dont think it worked. JUST MY OPINION

I agree.

I think the "Lifanoids" are better defined as Honda clones, rather than Lifan clones.

Therefore, I now coin the neologism, "Hondoid." From now on I will refer to the generic, Chinese, Honda-cloned motorcycle as a Hondoid. Therefore, I now classify Chinese motorcycles in four groups.

1. Zongshen
2. Qingqi
3. Lifan
4. Hondoid

Spud

SpudRider · 08-06-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alkamp

?? OK so where does my Shineray 200 TMS fall? (besides on its side

)

It's a Hondoid.

Spud

Cal25 · 08-06-2010, 03:48 PM

OK, just to muddy the water, My Hibird is a GY2 with a Zongshen motor. Maybe it could be called a Zondanoid? Zongafloid? The Zongshen on my bike is very close in appearance to a Honda 185 engine of old.
I dont REALLY care what people call it. I call it "FUN"

Weldangrind · 08-06-2010, 08:34 PM

I call it fun too.

My ATV is a Honda clone (sorry, Hondoid

), and the engine is a Zongshen. That's why I felt justified in buying a Zong t-shirt.

Cal25 · 08-06-2010, 09:37 PM

I would have bought one of the T shirts if I drove a YUGO.

**cheesy** · 08-06-2010, 09:54 PM

That answered my question.

Soooo then, a very long ride on a Hondoid can result in hemorrhoids.

SpudRider · 08-06-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesy

That answered my question.

Soooo then, a very long ride on a Hondoid can result in hemorrhoids.

Hopefully not!

As Snagglepuss might say, "Hemorrhoids? Heavens to murgatroyd!" 8O

http://www.eclecticdaydreams.com/dre...age-27592.html

Spud

08-06-2010, 08:42 AM	#1
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davidsonsgccc Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chickamauga, Ga. Posts: 278	the zong sierra 200 dualsport uses a copy of the yamaha tw200 bike. almost a complete copy with some improvments. __________________ my help may not be the best but it is free+-Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD
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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I call it fun too. My ATV is a Honda clone (sorry, Hondoid ), and the engine is a Zongshen. That's why I felt justified in buying a Zong t-shirt. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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08-06-2010, 09:54 PM	#14
cheesy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Elburn, IL Posts: 5,817	That answered my question. Soooo then, a very long ride on a Hondoid can result in hemorrhoids. __________________ Cheesy ______________________________________ 07 Hi Bird Enduro-Flown the Coop 07 Ural Gear Up 79 Honda CX500 77 VeloSolex 4600 V3 73 VeloSolex 3800 I'm making this up as I go.-Indiana Jones Telling me something 'is for my own good', is a fast way to a fat lip.-Me I don't even care about my own problems, why should I care about yours?-Quote on one of my favorite t-shirts
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08-06-2010, 09:51 AM	#2
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	Lifan or more accurately American Lifan made claim a few years ago that their bike was the real deal and all others were inferior copies. In reality most bikes from China are put together with the same parts. The real problem arose when importers used Lifan's Certificates to get past DOT and emmisions requirements instead of doing their own work. Most of the bikes that were refered to as "Lifanoid" have a model GY2 varient.
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08-06-2010, 09:55 AM	#3
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	Bikes that have a 163FML engine, thatâ€™s the engine used on the Lifan GY-5, since that was identified first all others bikes having that engine were relegated to being a version of it as Lifanoid. Many of the manufacturers use that engine, some make them and some buy them from others. Loncin and Zongshen manufacture these and many others as well offer the 163FML engine they are based on Honda engine designs CB and CG versions OHC and OHV configurations.
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08-06-2010, 02:15 PM	#6
alkamp Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central Coast, CA Posts: 93	?? OK so where does my Shineray 200 TMS fall? (besides on its side )
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08-06-2010, 03:20 PM	#7
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	I dont see them as "Lifan clones" they are most certainly "honda clones" engine wise. Just because Lifan shows up and starts saying that Lifans are real and others are copies just does not ring true with me. Lifan was trying to corner the market and I dont think it worked. JUST MY OPINION
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08-06-2010, 03:48 PM	#11
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	OK, just to muddy the water, My Hibird is a GY2 with a Zongshen motor. Maybe it could be called a Zondanoid? Zongafloid? The Zongshen on my bike is very close in appearance to a Honda 185 engine of old. I dont REALLY care what people call it. I call it "FUN"
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08-06-2010, 09:37 PM	#13
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	I would have bought one of the T shirts if I drove a YUGO.
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