Anybody out there Ride a DLX 250 Hawk with EFI?

hitechluddite · 02-24-2022, 08:40 PM

Number two son has been youtubing Chinese 250's and is convinced the subject bike is worth the extra $. Anybody out there ride one of these and like to share their thoughts?

TurboChris · 02-25-2022, 05:50 PM

I do, it works great right out of the box unlike the carb models. It's a lot like modern efi cars vs older carb cars, hassle free, no choke to set during warmup or need to manually open the throttle ect, just starts and runs without the bs. Other than that I believe the forks are an upgrade and the gauge cluster is a little nicer. I believe those are the only real differences.

Britt · 02-25-2022, 10:25 PM

I have one as well, and I enjoy the just push-the-button-and-go no-warmup. It runs great.

Thumper · 02-25-2022, 10:34 PM

FYI, a carburetor can be cleaned and adjusted, whereas a failed EFI module or other parts of an EFI system can be puzzling, or difficult to diagnose/fix. Also EFI is more likely to fail catastrophically, stranding you on the highway somewhere. Carry an extra pump and all of the tools to replace it???

That said, a working carburetor can fail, and it might need cleaning, or jetting. But you will get home to fix it. Jets cost under $5. Low tech has its advantages.

Boatguy · 02-26-2022, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

FYI, a carburetor can be cleaned and adjusted, whereas a failed EFI module or other parts of an EFI system can be puzzling, or difficult to diagnose/fix. Also EFI is more likely to fail catastrophically, stranding you on the highway somewhere. Carry an extra pump and all of the tools to replace it???

That said, a working carburetor can fail, and it might need cleaning, or jetting. But you will get home to fix it. Jets cost under $5. Low tech has its advantages.

Except there has never been an instance of a failed EFI at all.

Not even one.

Search the forum.

Now search for carburetor. Lolol. Pages and pages of problems.

Megadan · 03-01-2022, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Boatguy

Except there has never been an instance of a failed EFI at all.

Not even one.

Search the forum.

Now search for carburetor. Lolol. Pages and pages of problems.

Pages on pages of "problems?"

Thats a bit much...

Pages on pages of tuning questions is more accurate, and that has more to do with newbies and inexperienced people who.have never touched a carb before.

Once you get the jetting right, you really don't have to mess with it too much unless you plan to ride year round in weather extremes or with drastic altitude changes.

I also call BS on the no failures with the efi. The computer itself may not have issues, but I have seen more than a few bad sensors and an injector issue.

If I had to choose between a DLX and a TT250, I would take the TT250 every single time.

idle_purr · 02-26-2022, 07:40 AM

I chose a Brozz 250, it's pretty much a dlx with a carb. I've been let down by EFI before on a 4 wheeler and it was not a good time at all. Also EFI would require a power commander to make tweaks where as a carb can easily be jetted and modded.

Ol,fart · 02-26-2022, 12:04 PM

I bought the carbureted model specifically because I hate electrical problems , no way trust a Chinese computer and a new carb is 28 bucks 10 bucks for a set of 15 different jets.

JFOlivier · 02-26-2022, 03:29 PM

Anybody ever replace the throttle body of the EFI bikes with a carburetor, Just wonder what the computer would do if one did that.

TurboChris · 02-26-2022, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JFOlivier

Anybody ever replace the throttle body of the EFI bikes with a carburetor, Just wonder what the computer would do if one did that.

I don't know the fuel pressure differences but if you were to remove the tbody and install the carb at the proper fuel pressure the efi system wouldn't care and it would run still, basically you would only be using the electronics for the timing side of things.

Thumper · 10-19-2022, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboChris

I don't know the fuel pressure differences but if you were to remove the tbody and install the carb at the proper fuel pressure the efi system wouldn't care and it would run still, basically you would only be using the electronics for the timing side of things.

Lots of parts to potentially fail. And when they do, no dealer to troubleshoot. Fuel pump, oxygen sensor, additional wiring, and more.

Most of them run fine. Convenient to be sure. High tech or low tech... your choice! Old school just monitors fuel and spark. EFI adds many wildcards.

TurboChris · 02-26-2022, 06:54 PM

Lots of unwarranted fear of the efi from the carb crowd. Yet the carb crowd already had to tune, replace and repair the factory carb that didn't even run right out of the box. The efi guys just hop on and ride as far as tune is concerned.

Ol,fart · 02-27-2022, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboChris

Lots of unwarranted fear of the efi from the carb crowd. Yet the carb crowd already had to tune, replace and repair the factory carb that didn't even run right out of the box. The efi guys just hop on and ride as far as tune is concerned.

It didn't run right out of the box to pass EPA.

TurboChris · 02-27-2022, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ol,fart

It didn't run right out of the box to pass EPA.

And it wouldn't run right if you decided to drive it to the Grand Canyon.

Ol,fart · 02-27-2022, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboChris

And it wouldn't run right if you decided to drive it to the Grand Canyon.

I'm an old man on a dirt bike there's no way I'm wandering off further than the local lake( about 30 miles ) lol

02-24-2022, 08:40 PM	#1
hitechluddite Join Date: Feb 2022 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 9	Anybody out there Ride a DLX 250 Hawk with EFI? Number two son has been youtubing Chinese 250's and is convinced the subject bike is worth the extra $. Anybody out there ride one of these and like to share their thoughts?
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TurboChris Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 9	I do, it works great right out of the box unlike the carb models. It's a lot like modern efi cars vs older carb cars, hassle free, no choke to set during warmup or need to manually open the throttle ect, just starts and runs without the bs. Other than that I believe the forks are an upgrade and the gauge cluster is a little nicer. I believe those are the only real differences. __________________ 2020 Hawk DLX
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02-25-2022, 10:25 PM	#3
Britt Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 61	I have one as well, and I enjoy the just push-the-button-and-go no-warmup. It runs great. __________________ 2022 KLR650 2021 Hawk DLX 2021 Lifan Xpect 2021 Hawk 150 (RPS Viper)
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02-26-2022, 07:40 AM	#7
idle_purr Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: NY Posts: 218	I chose a Brozz 250, it's pretty much a dlx with a carb. I've been let down by EFI before on a 4 wheeler and it was not a good time at all. Also EFI would require a power commander to make tweaks where as a carb can easily be jetted and modded. __________________ NO HILL TOO STEEP NO MUD TOO DEEP The Brozz \| The Hawk Upgrades, Accessories, Etc... Assembly Checklist: Brozz 250 \| Hawk 250 ~idle_purr
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02-26-2022, 12:04 PM	#8
Ol,fart Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Gatesville Texas Posts: 161	I bought the carbureted model specifically because I hate electrical problems , no way trust a Chinese computer and a new carb is 28 bucks 10 bucks for a set of 15 different jets. __________________ 2021 RPS Hawk "IKEA" (Came in a box with no instructions) 110 main jet 1washer,2.5 sprockets and the cat fell off( with a little help) 1984 Honda V65 Magna "Daddy's Little Monster" To whoever stole my anti-depressants. I Hope Your Happy !
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02-25-2022, 10:34 PM	#4
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,342	FYI, a carburetor can be cleaned and adjusted, whereas a failed EFI module or other parts of an EFI system can be puzzling, or difficult to diagnose/fix. Also EFI is more likely to fail catastrophically, stranding you on the highway somewhere. Carry an extra pump and all of the tools to replace it??? That said, a working carburetor can fail, and it might need cleaning, or jetting. But you will get home to fix it. Jets cost under $5. Low tech has its advantages.
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02-26-2022, 03:29 PM	#9
JFOlivier Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Neck of Virginia. Posts: 164	Anybody ever replace the throttle body of the EFI bikes with a carburetor, Just wonder what the computer would do if one did that.
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02-26-2022, 06:54 PM	#12
TurboChris Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 9	Lots of unwarranted fear of the efi from the carb crowd. Yet the carb crowd already had to tune, replace and repair the factory carb that didn't even run right out of the box. The efi guys just hop on and ride as far as tune is concerned. __________________ 2020 Hawk DLX
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