Hawk 250 has difficulty rolling in neutral

newbie88 · 11-15-2019, 05:03 PM

So I feel like I might have screwed something up.
Today I was attempting to change out my sprockets, failed and ended up having to put in my original sprockets back in (tipped over my bike in the process and took off the tip of the brake lever

)
When I put everything back together, I realized that my bike was really hard to push around in neutral and I would hear a clicking or ticking sound as well.
Did I over tighten my axle nut? Any ideas would be appreciated for this utter newbie.

NzBrakelathes · 11-15-2019, 05:10 PM

Brake is being held on?? When you broke n bent front brake lever

OneLeggedRider · 11-15-2019, 08:55 PM

Is your chain too tight?

Megadan · 11-16-2019, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NzBrakelathes

Brake is being held on?? When you broke n bent front brake lever

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Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider

Is your chain too tight?

Both good places to start. If it broke the end of the lever off it is possible it belt the lever itself enough that it is applying the brake just a bit and causing drag. Easiest way to see if this is your problem would be to back the lever adjuster off so there is excess free play in the brake lever.

The chain tension and alignment being incorrect will also cause binding which can then cause drag and make the bike hard to move. It may also be the source of the clicking sound you are hearing.

newbie88 · 11-16-2019, 02:32 PM

Thank you guys for the suggestions!
I realized my chain was way too tight and that was the cause of the difficulty rolling. Unfortunately I have come across a new problem. The piece of metal connected to the rear brake caliper has cracked due to my use of excessive force in torquing the rear axle nut. The weird thing is that my front brake is also having issues now.
I'm posting some pictures to give you guys an idea of what's going on.
https://imgur.com/a/ZOraNhh

NzBrakelathes · 11-16-2019, 06:48 PM

You miss aligned the groove that stops it rotating - you’ll need a new bracket

newbie88 · 11-16-2019, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NzBrakelathes

You miss aligned the groove that stops it rotating - you’ll need a new bracket

Gotcha. Where can I buy a new bracket? Is it possible to JB weld it together?

BrianW · 11-16-2019, 09:39 PM

I tend to be on the thrifty/cheap side when at all possible but my gut says to replace that bracket. If there’s one place to not cut corners it’s your brakes. No telling when (or how hard) you will need them.

OneLeggedRider · 11-16-2019, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by newbie88

Thank you guys for the suggestions!
I realized my chain was way too tight and that was the cause of the difficulty rolling. Unfortunately I have come across a new problem. The piece of metal connected to the rear brake caliper has cracked due to my use of excessive force in torquing the rear axle nut. The weird thing is that my front brake is also having issues now.
I'm posting some pictures to give you guys an idea of what's going on.
https://imgur.com/a/ZOraNhh

When you mentioned the sound I knew it was the chain being too tight. And Tako is probably right about the bracket not being aligned with the keeper/stop. But dont go crazy with over tightening the rear axle. Invest in a cheap torque wrench until you're ready to spend money on a good one. 30 to 35ft lbs should be more than enough to keep the axle in place. And remember you're squeezing the inner race of some very cheaply made bearings.

NzBrakelathes · 11-16-2019, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by newbie88

Gotcha. Where can I buy a new bracket? Is it possible to JB weld it together?

NO!!!!!!!
Get a new one from the reseller who sold the bike.

cycleway4 · 11-17-2019, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NzBrakelathes

NO!!!!!!!
Get a new one from the reseller who sold the bike.

Thats a very easy "I second" ...replace it with a new part...no JB Weld there

timcosby · 11-17-2019, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by newbie88

Thank you guys for the suggestions!
I realized my chain was way too tight and that was the cause of the difficulty rolling. Unfortunately I have come across a new problem. The piece of metal connected to the rear brake caliper has cracked due to my use of excessive force in torquing the rear axle nut. The weird thing is that my front brake is also having issues now.
I'm posting some pictures to give you guys an idea of what's going on.
https://imgur.com/a/ZOraNhh

dont think over tightening the axle would do that. probably happened in the spill.

Megadan · 11-18-2019, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by timcosby

dont think over tightening the axle would do that. probably happened in the spill.

I agree with that assessment. It is possible that too much compressive force could crack that bit of metal, but it is more likely it cracked due to impact,

**JerryHawk250** · 11-18-2019, 10:45 AM

I would check with the dealer you bought it from. Also the bracket from the TT250 might be an alternative. https://store.cscmotorcycles.com/TT2...p/zt23-101.htm

newbie88 · 11-18-2019, 01:23 PM

That's unfortunate. I went to the dealer where I bought the bike and they told me they didn't have any of the brackets in stock so it looks like I'll need to buy the TT250 one that you've mentioned JerryHawk. Thanks for the suggestion!

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newbie88 Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 17	Hawk 250 has difficulty rolling in neutral So I feel like I might have screwed something up. Today I was attempting to change out my sprockets, failed and ended up having to put in my original sprockets back in (tipped over my bike in the process and took off the tip of the brake lever ) When I put everything back together, I realized that my bike was really hard to push around in neutral and I would hear a clicking or ticking sound as well. Did I over tighten my axle nut? Any ideas would be appreciated for this utter newbie.
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11-16-2019, 02:32 PM	#5
newbie88 Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 17	Thank you guys for the suggestions! I realized my chain was way too tight and that was the cause of the difficulty rolling. Unfortunately I have come across a new problem. The piece of metal connected to the rear brake caliper has cracked due to my use of excessive force in torquing the rear axle nut. The weird thing is that my front brake is also having issues now. I'm posting some pictures to give you guys an idea of what's going on. https://imgur.com/a/ZOraNhh
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11-16-2019, 06:48 PM	#6
NzBrakelathes Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Hell Posts: 2,408	You miss aligned the groove that stops it rotating - you’ll need a new bracket
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11-16-2019, 09:39 PM	#8
BrianW Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wheeling, WV native currently living In Natchitoches, LA Posts: 297	I tend to be on the thrifty/cheap side when at all possible but my gut says to replace that bracket. If there’s one place to not cut corners it’s your brakes. No telling when (or how hard) you will need them.
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11-18-2019, 01:23 PM	#15
newbie88 Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 17	That's unfortunate. I went to the dealer where I bought the bike and they told me they didn't have any of the brackets in stock so it looks like I'll need to buy the TT250 one that you've mentioned JerryHawk. Thanks for the suggestion!
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