hill climb help

jerickw · 08-07-2016, 07:44 PM

hello everyone ive been trying to do more challenging hills on my cg200 with a swapped zongshen 250 motor in it. its doing well for the most part and most of the issues are probably that i just need more practice. but can anyone give me any advice to help with this or good bike ajustments to make it easier to get up some of the looser/steeper hills. currently in second gear with a 17 tooth sprocket on about a 35/45 degree hill i get about halfway before i lose power and stall or wheelie the bike and flip down the hill. im sure this has more to do with my posture and clutch control but not to sure im new to the whole hill climbing

jerickw · 08-07-2016, 07:44 PM

and im an idiot an just noticed this should be in the riding forum im sorry didnt mean to put it in this one

Bruce's · 08-07-2016, 08:41 PM

You have to be up on your feet bent over towards the front of your bike ,adjust your body position to match the traction you have and remember it changes sometimes so you don't just stay in one position .Hit the bottom with all the speed you can handle ,be repaired to gear down but avoid it if you can until you are comfortable with it as you can screw yourself if you blow a shift or mistime that shift and lose foreword momentum ,and be prepared for the bike to loop out if you can manage to keep the revs up and find traction .

jerickw · 08-07-2016, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce's

You have to be up on your feet bent over towards the front of your bike ,adjust your body position to match the traction you have and remember it changes sometimes so you don't just stay in one position .Hit the bottom with all the speed you can handle ,be repaired to gear down but avoid it if you can until you are comfortable with it as you can screw yourself if you blow a shift or mistime that shift and lose foreword momentum ,and be prepared for the bike to loop out if you can manage to keep the revs up and find traction .

Thank you so much for the info also watch a few videos on position and clutch/throttle control so I'm going to go ahead and try again tomorrow now that I fixed my clutch

thaiguzzi · 08-08-2016, 12:50 AM

Watch some trials videos. There is a reason why all the best extreme enduro riders aka Jarvis etc come from a trials background.
Before you can go fast, you have to learn to go slow.
Balance, posture and body positioning is everything. Clutch and throttle control come next.
Off road riding, especially gnarly difficult stuff, is mostly done standing up on the pegs.
Try a hill climb in the correct gear, without having to shift halfway up the hill.

Ariel Red Hunter · 08-08-2016, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

Watch some trials videos. There is a reason why all the best extreme enduro riders aka Jarvis etc come from a trials background.
Before you can go fast, you have to learn to go slow.
Balance, posture and body positioning is everything. Clutch and throttle control come next.
Off road riding, especially gnarly difficult stuff, is mostly done standing up on the pegs.
Try a hill climb in the correct gear, without having to shift halfway up the hill.

I agree. There is a youtube video on pre-75 trials. Pre 1975 trials bikes are all what today are called dual-sports. They are using virtually the same equipment you are riding. You will also see in that video what happens when you make a mistake climbing a hill.

Weldangrind · 08-08-2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jerickw

and im an idiot an just noticed this should be in the riding forum im sorry didnt mean to put it in this one

No worries, your thread is fine here.

jimwildman · 08-08-2016, 05:22 PM

learning how to fail a hill safely is important as well, so not wasted time at all.

1 simple rule is shift your weight back on the seat when you need more traction and forward when you have too much.

and practice, alot.

GeneralTso · 08-08-2016, 06:26 PM

And try and keep the front wheel lower than your chin! Ha ha

jerickw · 08-08-2016, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimwildman

learning how to fail a hill safely is important as well, so not wasted time at all.

1 simple rule is shift your weight back on the seat when you need more traction and forward when you have too much.

and practice, alot.

yeah im having fun learning to bail properly lol one of my first trys a few weeks ago ended with the bike landing on my head, thankfully i always wear a helmet it has the scars to show on it

Krasi_BG · 08-09-2016, 02:31 AM

1. Momentum
2. Feather the clutch
2. If you don't make it, turn around and give it another try with more inertia. Don't try to get going again half way on the hill as it's way too tricky and tiresome (usually!).

pete · 08-09-2016, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

I agree. There is a youtube video on pre-75 trials. Pre 1975 trials bikes are all what today are called dual-sports. They are using virtually the same equipment you are riding.

maybe at a quick glance...
yer can't ride a trials bike to fast for long... the steering geomitrey will
have yer on the ground pretty quickly...
the suspension has very little damping & is sprung very soft..
foot pegs are quite high and back ferther than a trail/dirt bike..
motor are very fast responding at low revs with not much top end power
all bottom end..

A trials bike climbs a little diffrently... with so much bottom end torque
& super soft trials tyres run at 4/5psi.. they just have so much grip , you can use speed or
slow right down... they seem to find tracton where a trail/dirt bike won't..

as yer can see in my sig I have a 77 Montesa Cota 348 that I ride in
classic/vintage trials events..

Ariel Red Hunter · 08-09-2016, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pete

maybe at a quick glance...
yer can't ride a trials bike to fast for long... the steering geomitrey will
have yer on the ground pretty quickly...
the suspension has very little damping & is sprung very soft..
foot pegs are quite high and back ferther than a trail/dirt bike..
motor are very fast responding at low revs with not much top end power
all bottom end..

A trials bike climbs a little diffrently... with so much bottom end torque
& super soft trials tyres run at 4/5psi.. they just have so much grip , you can use speed or
slow right down... they seem to find tracton where a trail/dirt bike won't..

as yer can see in my sig I have a 77 Montesa Cota 348 that I ride in
classic/vintage trials events..

Yes, that is so. My error, pre 65 bikes used/modified for trial use are more like dual sports. And they moved their own foot-pegs back. From what I've learned about Hawks on this forum, if you run the forks with the oil that came with the bike, you don't have to worry about them being too stiff!

thaiguzzi · 08-10-2016, 12:16 AM

Indeed. Even 70's twinshock Spanish (Bultaco, Montesa, Ossa) and Japanese (mainly Honda and Yamaha) trials bikes have the footrests in a position which is not comfortable for sitting down for anything longer than a short 15 minute rest. A 2 stroke of that period still weighed at least 50-60 lbs less than a street legal trail bike of that era too.

hertz9753 · 08-10-2016, 01:58 AM

Does the OP want to get to the top of the hill riding straight up or just get to the top of the hill?

08-07-2016, 07:44 PM	#1
jerickw Join Date: May 2016 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 49	hill climb help hello everyone ive been trying to do more challenging hills on my cg200 with a swapped zongshen 250 motor in it. its doing well for the most part and most of the issues are probably that i just need more practice. but can anyone give me any advice to help with this or good bike ajustments to make it easier to get up some of the looser/steeper hills. currently in second gear with a 17 tooth sprocket on about a 35/45 degree hill i get about halfway before i lose power and stall or wheelie the bike and flip down the hill. im sure this has more to do with my posture and clutch control but not to sure im new to the whole hill climbing
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08-08-2016, 06:26 PM	#9
GeneralTso Join Date: May 2016 Location: Middle TN Posts: 312	And try and keep the front wheel lower than your chin! Ha ha __________________ 2005 Kazuma Cheetah 200 (Swamp Thing)
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08-10-2016, 01:58 AM	#15
hertz9753 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 868	Does the OP want to get to the top of the hill riding straight up or just get to the top of the hill? __________________ 2015 and 3/4 RPS Hawk 250. Most people would call it a 2016 but the MCO didn't.
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08-07-2016, 08:41 PM	#3
Bruce's Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sudbury ,Ontario Posts: 855	You have to be up on your feet bent over towards the front of your bike ,adjust your body position to match the traction you have and remember it changes sometimes so you don't just stay in one position .Hit the bottom with all the speed you can handle ,be repaired to gear down but avoid it if you can until you are comfortable with it as you can screw yourself if you blow a shift or mistime that shift and lose foreword momentum ,and be prepared for the bike to loop out if you can manage to keep the revs up and find traction .
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08-08-2016, 12:50 AM	#5
thaiguzzi Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NE Thailand Posts: 37	Watch some trials videos. There is a reason why all the best extreme enduro riders aka Jarvis etc come from a trials background. Before you can go fast, you have to learn to go slow. Balance, posture and body positioning is everything. Clutch and throttle control come next. Off road riding, especially gnarly difficult stuff, is mostly done standing up on the pegs. Try a hill climb in the correct gear, without having to shift halfway up the hill.
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08-08-2016, 05:22 PM	#8
jimwildman Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 237	learning how to fail a hill safely is important as well, so not wasted time at all. 1 simple rule is shift your weight back on the seat when you need more traction and forward when you have too much. and practice, alot.
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08-09-2016, 02:31 AM	#11
Krasi_BG Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 436	1. Momentum 2. Feather the clutch 2. If you don't make it, turn around and give it another try with more inertia. Don't try to get going again half way on the hill as it's way too tricky and tiresome (usually!).
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08-10-2016, 12:16 AM	#14
thaiguzzi Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NE Thailand Posts: 37	Indeed. Even 70's twinshock Spanish (Bultaco, Montesa, Ossa) and Japanese (mainly Honda and Yamaha) trials bikes have the footrests in a position which is not comfortable for sitting down for anything longer than a short 15 minute rest. A 2 stroke of that period still weighed at least 50-60 lbs less than a street legal trail bike of that era too.
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