Hawk 250. What engine is its clone of?

boostitall · 04-05-2016, 07:21 PM

Hi Im new here. but iv been lurking for a while and I can't seem to find what engine the Hawk 250 is a clone of. I am under the impression its a Honda But which one? or am I comleatly wrong lol.
FYI I want to know so I can know which parts I can use nambrand and aftermarket parts with.
Thanks in advance

Mudflap · 04-05-2016, 08:03 PM

Upsized clone of a Honda CG 125.

Weldangrind · 04-06-2016, 12:28 AM

Welcome!

You'll find Wikipedia info on the CG125, and you'll discover that it was never distributed in the US or Canada.

BARLOW · 04-06-2016, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudflap

Upsized clone of a Honda CG 125.

do you know if this also true of the counterbalanced engine (only with the added shaft)?

2LZ · 04-06-2016, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BARLOW

do you know if this also true of the counterbalanced engine (only with the added shaft)?

The CG motor has to do with the pushrod design (as opposed to OHC with a chain) for longevity and utter lack of any maintenance that most of these see around the globe. They were built to be durable with good torque, not necessarily powerful. When the counterbalance was added, I'm not sure...........

Here's a great read...
http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1975cg125/

That said, I've had 4 CG motors now, all non-counterbalanced. I'm looking forward to the TT250 to see if there's any discernable difference.

boostitall · 04-06-2016, 03:09 PM

So it being an up scale means there aren’t any performance parts for the engine? ( things like cams, bore kits, etc?)

2LZ · 04-06-2016, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by boostitall

So it being an up scale means there aren’t any performance parts for the engine? ( things like cams, bore kits, etc?)

I know my Q motor (OHC Suzuki-type) had Suzuki cams from "Hot Cams" that would drop right in there were a few past members modding them for power but I've not seen anything like that for the CG motor. Being pushrod, I think a torque cam would be nice. Maybe someone can get a cam and send it to a grinder to have a custom lift and duration set up???

boostitall · 04-06-2016, 03:37 PM

hmm I will have to look in to that, thanks.
assuming the jug is big enough would it be possible to bore it to a true 250 and drop a Honda piston in?

Mudflap · 04-06-2016, 05:05 PM

Honda never made a CG250, only 125 and 150, and those were workhorse engines not designed to make a lot of power. There is only so much you can do with a pushrod engine with a single lobe cam.

The counterbalanced engine is essentially the same as the non counterbalanced engine. Most parts are interchangeable within the same manufacturer but not necessarily between manufacturers.

boostitall · 04-06-2016, 05:12 PM

oh ok cool. Still I can't leave well enough alone when it comes to modding engines and bikes. ill have to do more research but if there are any known mods besides upgrading to a different 30mm carb would you be so kind as to point me in the proper direction?

humanbeing · 04-06-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudflap

Honda never made a CG250, only 125 and 150...

Honda DIDN'T made any 150 (62mm bore) ***bottom hole is smaller*** http://www.chyangwa.net/forum.php?mo...authorid=75082 Chonda (kick& e-start) "cg" is based from Kymco...
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chuck · 04-06-2016, 07:48 PM

Replace the anchor with a fmf or Pro circuit t4 exhaust.It Sounds much better and it pulls stronger.

boostitall · 04-06-2016, 10:38 PM

ok thanks

Weldangrind · 04-07-2016, 12:00 AM

After intake and carb changes, you could also take the time to port match the intake and exhaust and then polish the exhaust. It won't help much, but it'll make you feel better.

2LZ · 04-07-2016, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

After intake and carb changes, you could also take the time to port match the intake and exhaust and then polish the exhaust. It won't help much, but it'll make you feel better.

...and fun in the process for us gearheads!

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boostitall Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 13	Hawk 250. What engine is its clone of? Hi Im new here. but iv been lurking for a while and I can't seem to find what engine the Hawk 250 is a clone of. I am under the impression its a Honda But which one? or am I comleatly wrong lol. FYI I want to know so I can know which parts I can use nambrand and aftermarket parts with. Thanks in advance
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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Welcome! You'll find Wikipedia info on the CG125, and you'll discover that it was never distributed in the US or Canada. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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boostitall Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 13	ok thanks __________________ Toys n bikes, 110 Monster aka Zombie, Yamaha Blaster fully set up to race aka typhoon, traded typhoon for a KTM 520 ex that is my current ride aka Jennifer, will be getting a Hawk 250 as soon as the ktm is sold so soon.
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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	After intake and carb changes, you could also take the time to port match the intake and exhaust and then polish the exhaust. It won't help much, but it'll make you feel better. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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04-05-2016, 08:03 PM	#2
Mudflap Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,870	Upsized clone of a Honda CG 125.
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04-06-2016, 03:09 PM	#6
boostitall Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 13	So it being an up scale means there aren’t any performance parts for the engine? ( things like cams, bore kits, etc?)
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boostitall Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 13	hmm I will have to look in to that, thanks. assuming the jug is big enough would it be possible to bore it to a true 250 and drop a Honda piston in?
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04-06-2016, 05:05 PM	#9
Mudflap Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,870	Honda never made a CG250, only 125 and 150, and those were workhorse engines not designed to make a lot of power. There is only so much you can do with a pushrod engine with a single lobe cam. The counterbalanced engine is essentially the same as the non counterbalanced engine. Most parts are interchangeable within the same manufacturer but not necessarily between manufacturers.
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04-06-2016, 05:12 PM	#10
boostitall Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 13	oh ok cool. Still I can't leave well enough alone when it comes to modding engines and bikes. ill have to do more research but if there are any known mods besides upgrading to a different 30mm carb would you be so kind as to point me in the proper direction?
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04-06-2016, 07:48 PM	#12
chuck Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 436	Replace the anchor with a fmf or Pro circuit t4 exhaust.It Sounds much better and it pulls stronger.
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