CSC takes on Japan ADVs

wheelbender6 · 12-07-2017, 07:19 PM

Nice small ADV shootout on motorcycle.com.
They rode the RXR, rather then the RX3.
http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs...t-adv-shootout
One thing bugs me:
The CSC website claims the RXR has almost 25hp, while motorcycle.com lists the RXR at a little over 20HP. Maybe a typo at the magazine.

AdventureDad · 12-07-2017, 08:02 PM

They also griped about no rear rack. Overall it did pretty well. They sounded fair

rd1959 · 12-07-2017, 08:18 PM

It was a good read but, as seems usual, in the comments section the RX3 was hardly mentioned. Looks like the biggest obstacle facing the RX3 is getting over the "Chinese crap" way of thinking most people have in this country. Well, I'm satisfied with mine and that's all that really matters.

AdventureDad · 12-07-2017, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rd1959

It was a good read but, as seems usual, in the comments section the RX3 was hardly mentioned. Looks like the biggest obstacle facing the RX3 is getting over the "Chinese crap" way of thinking most people have in this country. Well, I'm satisfied with mine and that's all that really matters.

It’s really getting better though, as far as the Moto journalists go. They seem to take the bike seriously, whether they like it, love it or hate it.

Azhule · 12-08-2017, 03:03 AM

I'm guessing it's a 25hp engine by itself/no 'mechanical losses', 20hp after it goes through the transmission, down the chain and to the wheel... all with a bone dry chain, out of spec valves, and crap fluids in the crankcase

wheelbender6 · 12-08-2017, 08:14 AM

Azhule os correct about the RXR horsepower. The CSC site lists hp measured at the crankshaft. Motorcycle.com sent me a message that they list rear wheel horsepower.

2LZ · 12-08-2017, 12:21 PM

I thought it was a fair test. No, the CSC suspension is not the greatest BUT....I'd like to see what the Japanese could come up with for 3500.00. According to my latest buyers guide, new 60cc dirt bikes are almost 5k.

For the life of me though I'll never understand why they (not just this shootout but most) have an Enduro (true dual sport) up against ADV bikes. The ADV bike is more of a scrambler and more street oriented than the light weight and huge suspension travel of a dirt bike with lights.

pistolclass · 12-08-2017, 03:10 PM

So I don't mean to be a rabble rouser here but had the CSC had the issue that the Kawi had with the kickstand switch would they have been so understanding and blamed the conditions and not just chalked it up to chinese junk... guess we will never know. I do know is the CSC was not laid on it's side to make a trail side fix.

Just an observation.

CBM (my new replacement to BLM)

Azhule · 12-08-2017, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolclass

So I don't mean to be a rabble rouser here but had the CSC had the issue that the Kawi had with the kickstand switch would they have been so understanding and blamed the conditions and not just chalked it up to chinese junk... guess we will never know.

I think everyone is already used to Kawi and the shoddy Kickstand/Neutral Switch faults, it's just common knowledge to bypass it the first or second time the bike cuts out for no reason while riding

It's really funny how that safety switch is still shutting off brand new Kawi's... can't they figure out a fix already?!? Easily been happening for over 25 years on their "dual sport/adventure bike" range

1cylinderwonder · 12-08-2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelbender6

Nice small ADV shootout on motorcycle.com.
They rode the RXR, rather then the RX3.
http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs...t-adv-shootout
One thing bugs me:
The CSC website claims the RXR has almost 25hp, while motorcycle.com lists the RXR at a little over 20HP. Maybe a typo at the magazine.

They measured all three bike’s horsepower at rear wheel on a dyno. This is what really matters. Not HP at the crank.

1cylinderwonder · 12-08-2017, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AdventureDad

They also griped about no rear rack. Overall it did pretty well. They sounded fair

I bought the CSC rear rack for the RXR when I purchased my RXR.
Without the rack, you cannot really carry much on the RXR.

1cylinderwonder · 12-08-2017, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pistolclass

So I don't mean to be a rabble rouser here but had the CSC had the issue that the Kawi had with the kickstand switch would they have been so understanding and blamed the conditions and not just chalked it up to chinese junk... guess we will never know. I do know is the CSC was not laid on it's side to make a trail side fix.
Just an observation.
CBM (my new replacement to BLM)

My RXR does not have a safety switch on n the kick stand. Very disappointing!

1cylinderwonder · 12-08-2017, 07:36 PM

I was very disappointed with my purchase of the CSC RXR last year. So I sold it and purchased a new Versys-X 300 for $4,495.
The Kawi is much, much better than the RXR!
I don’t have to change the oil and filter so often and the valves only have to be adjusted every 15,000 miles!
Instead of doing maintenance on the RXR, I’m out riding my Versys!
No need to look back!

AdventureDad · 12-08-2017, 09:46 PM

Other than a few min changing oil, (yes, the valves are a pita) why were you disappointed in your RXR?

2LZ · 12-12-2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AdventureDad

Other than a few min changing oil, (yes, the valves are a pita) why were you disappointed in your RXR?

Come on AD, he owned it for a grand total of 73 hours. That's all that was needed.

12-07-2017, 07:19 PM	#1
wheelbender6 Join Date: May 2015 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,902	CSC takes on Japan ADVs Nice small ADV shootout on motorcycle.com. They rode the RXR, rather then the RX3. http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs...t-adv-shootout One thing bugs me: The CSC website claims the RXR has almost 25hp, while motorcycle.com lists the RXR at a little over 20HP. Maybe a typo at the magazine. __________________ "Its not WHAT you ride; its THAT you ride" Last edited by wheelbender6; 12-07-2017 at 07:38 PM. Reason: Add spec comparison.
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12-08-2017, 03:03 AM	#5
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	I'm guessing it's a 25hp engine by itself/no 'mechanical losses', 20hp after it goes through the transmission, down the chain and to the wheel... all with a bone dry chain, out of spec valves, and crap fluids in the crankcase __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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12-08-2017, 08:14 AM	#6
wheelbender6 Join Date: May 2015 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,902	Azhule os correct about the RXR horsepower. The CSC site lists hp measured at the crankshaft. Motorcycle.com sent me a message that they list rear wheel horsepower. __________________ "Its not WHAT you ride; its THAT you ride"
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12-08-2017, 12:21 PM	#7
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,065	I thought it was a fair test. No, the CSC suspension is not the greatest BUT....I'd like to see what the Japanese could come up with for 3500.00. According to my latest buyers guide, new 60cc dirt bikes are almost 5k. For the life of me though I'll never understand why they (not just this shootout but most) have an Enduro (true dual sport) up against ADV bikes. The ADV bike is more of a scrambler and more street oriented than the light weight and huge suspension travel of a dirt bike with lights. __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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12-08-2017, 07:36 PM	#13
1cylinderwonder Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Pismo Beach Posts: 387	I dumped MY RXR and bought a Versys-X 300 I was very disappointed with my purchase of the CSC RXR last year. So I sold it and purchased a new Versys-X 300 for $4,495. The Kawi is much, much better than the RXR! I don’t have to change the oil and filter so often and the valves only have to be adjusted every 15,000 miles! Instead of doing maintenance on the RXR, I’m out riding my Versys! No need to look back!
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12-07-2017, 08:02 PM	#2
AdventureDad Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 253	They also griped about no rear rack. Overall it did pretty well. They sounded fair
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12-07-2017, 08:18 PM	#3
rd1959 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Monroe,NC Posts: 131	It was a good read but, as seems usual, in the comments section the RX3 was hardly mentioned. Looks like the biggest obstacle facing the RX3 is getting over the "Chinese crap" way of thinking most people have in this country. Well, I'm satisfied with mine and that's all that really matters.
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12-08-2017, 03:10 PM	#8
pistolclass Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: connecticut Posts: 978	So I don't mean to be a rabble rouser here but had the CSC had the issue that the Kawi had with the kickstand switch would they have been so understanding and blamed the conditions and not just chalked it up to chinese junk... guess we will never know. I do know is the CSC was not laid on it's side to make a trail side fix. Just an observation. CBM (my new replacement to BLM)
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12-08-2017, 09:46 PM	#14
AdventureDad Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 253	Other than a few min changing oil, (yes, the valves are a pita) why were you disappointed in your RXR?
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