New Grom Knockoff's Are Now in the US

[Sumter]

Originally Posted by SamM

Are there any of these play bikes that is big enough to fit the Daytona Anima 190cc 4V engine? The Braap Superlight is available with that engine but I haven't really seen anything else with it. The Pirahana 190 dirtbike is available with it but it's a dirtbike. And when I say available, the Braap is sold in Australia. They're not in the US yet.

I wish the SSR Razkull 125 was big enough to fit the Daytona 190. That engine would be a tight fit, and if it's doable, it would a sweet bike.

SamM

I have a zs190 engine which is the same as a Daytona 190 but with a 2v head and electric start in a Razkull clone (Lil Duc). Slight clearancing of the brake pedal and it bolts right in. The engine makes 18-19HP so the power is great and the 5-speed transmission is super smooth. It runs well with the carburetor but I've converted it to EFI.
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[BlackAcid]

Originally Posted by Sumter

I have a zs190 engine which is the same as a Daytona 190 but with a 2v head and electric start in a Razkull clone (Lil Duc). Slight clearancing of the brake pedal and it bolts right in. The engine makes 18-19HP so the power is great and the 5-speed transmission is super smooth. It runs well with the carburetor but I've converted it to EFI.
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ZS190

I was also wanting to use that engine in my Grom clone. I have an Ice Bear Fuerza and I thought that the zs190 would be a perfect upgrade. Did you get yours through Pitster Pro? I saw they had it available for a fairly reasonable price with all the necessary parts to get it running. What did you use for your fuel injection?

[Sumter]

Originally Posted by BlackAcid

I was also wanting to use that engine in my Grom clone. I have an Ice Bear Fuerza and I thought that the zs190 would be a perfect upgrade. Did you get yours through Pitster Pro? I saw they had it available for a fairly reasonable price with all the necessary parts to get it running. What did you use for your fuel injection?

Yeah I got it through Pitster Pro. We have 7 of us in Vegas with these engines in our bikes. It's 2 motor mount bolts and 5 wires to do the swap. I used a small engine efi kit that was $270 shipped complete. I just rode my Z125 with a lightened primary and modded intake today and it's crazy how much slower it is. 8HP 125 vs 18-19HP 190 though.

[BlackAcid]

Originally Posted by Sumter

Yeah I got it through Pitster Pro. We have 7 of us in Vegas with these engines in our bikes. It's 2 motor mount bolts and 5 wires to do the swap. I used a small engine efi kit that was $270 shipped complete. I just rode my Z125 with a lightened primary and modded intake today and it's crazy how much slower it is. 8HP 125 vs 18-19HP 190 though.

That sounds great. As far as additional pieces I was referring to the cdi, wiring harness, carb, etc that is supposed to be included in their kit. What efi kit did you use?

[SamM]

Thanks for that measurement. You really have me thinking about a Razkull again. My local dealer has one in white.

SamM

[Sumter]

I think the razkull is 3 motor mount bolt setup so it would require some adapter plates but the clones are 2 bolt setups. Either way it wouldn't be too much work to get in there.

[SamM]

I think the razkull is 3 motor mount bolt setup so it would require some adapter plates but the clones are 2 bolt setups. Either way it wouldn't be too much work to get in there.

Thanks. I may go over to the dealership to look at the Razkull again and check out the bolt setup. Didn’t take any pictures when I was there last. He had $2300 on the bike. He could be ready to discount the price to get rid of it.

SamM

[_MaXiPaD_]

Originally Posted by jeffrey

Nice video. tboltusa.com has performance parts for those little engines if you didn't know about them.

Yes! I know of them all too well! I'll for sure be buying stuff from them soon. This is terrible of me, but I'm already looking at their engines such as the Piranha (YX) 140 and their Daytona 190.
BUT, there's nothing wrong with my IP54FMI so I need to quit looking at those motors and focus on the performance parts for my current motor.

And BlackBike, I'm sorry but I'm confused and don't know how to respond to your post. Feel free to call me an idiot for not being able to comprehend your post.

[BlackBike]

Originally Posted by _MaXiPaD_

Yes! I know of them all too well! I'll for sure be buying stuff from them soon. This is terrible of me, but I'm already looking at their engines such as the Piranha (YX) 140 and their Daytona 190.
BUT, there's nothing wrong with my IP54FMI so I need to quit looking at those motors and focus on the performance parts for my current motor.

And BlackBike, I'm sorry but I'm confused and don't know how to respond to your post. Feel free to call me an idiot for not being able to comprehend your post.

I was being a jerk about the state of the shop floor. Good thing I 9nly show the nice organized portions of mine.

[_MaXiPaD_]

Originally Posted by BlackBike

I was being a jerk about the state of the shop floor. Good thing I 9nly show the nice organized portions of mine.

OH! Haha I gotcha! Yeah, sadly the portion I displayed was about as organized as I get lol..

[culcune]

Any more videos/review updates? I notice that SSR is showing the 'Razkull' as being available vs. under 'coming soon' (where it still is and has been for several months).

http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/...reet-index.php

[_MaXiPaD_]

Originally Posted by culcune

Any more videos/review updates? I notice that SSR is showing the 'Razkull' as being available vs. under 'coming soon' (where it still is and has been for several months).

http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/...reet-index.php

Here are the updates so far:

- The bike still seems to have some kind of charging issue.

I can go 4-5 days riding the Vader before the battery has a hard time providing enough juice to start the bike. My temporarily solution is to hook the Vader up to a battery tender overnight every 2-3 days or so. Not a big deal when you have a quick disconnect connected to the battery. And if worse comes to worse, the bike is super light that it'd be easy to push start it if need be.


- The plastics are very brittle.

If you watched my quickie video, you'll notice that the plastic from the tail section broke very easily from a very minor fall (my sister actually caught the bike). Then a week later, the front wheel hugger mounting points cracked on me and the fairing on the left side of the gas tank was holding on by one screw (due to cracking issues). These plastics are definitely not ABS.


- Experienced bogging issues a few times on the highway.

There was a few times where the Vader would cut out on me at about 42-44 mph and would not recover unless I dropped a gear and slowly rev the bike back up. This is probably due to the carburetor needing a larger jet.


- Otherwise, the bike is mechanically (& cosmetically ) breaking in nicely. Power feels a bit stronger, shifting is feeling smoother and the bike feels reliable.



I am thoroughly enjoying this little bike. It's just a bummer those plastics were cheaply made (which I should've expected anyways). But the cheap plastics doesn't bother me all that much. I actually prefer the bike without the plastics because it gives me less to worry about and now I have easier access to the motor and it's components whenever I need to get to them.



The Razkull looks pretty sweet! I'm a big fan of SSR. I can't wait to see one of those!