SSR XF250 Enduro

[wlfpck]

Contemplating picking up the SSR XF250 right now. Question is what is this a clone of?

I'm curious as to what parts will be able to swap over. Is it the CRF250 parts for things like the seat/plastics/fuel tank/etc?

Curious because that would be a nice little carb'ed bike to own that finding parts would be easy.

I'm assuming the engine is based on the Honda CG250?

[JerryHawk250]

The engine is based off the CB250. It has the OHC. Not sure what bike the plastics will swap with.
Have you looked at the Orion RXB-250L ? https://www.orionpowersports.com/ori...embled-tested/

[david3921]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

The engine is based off the CB250. It has the OHC. Not sure what bike the plastics will swap with.
Have you looked at the Orion RXB-250L ? https://www.orionpowersports.com/ori...embled-tested/

Sorry to correct you but it's based on the Suzuki 250 rather than a Honda. If it's fuel injected, then it would be the TU250. These have the same frames as the Suzukis and the motor bits will probably interchange but that's about it.

[david3921]

Ok, something weird is going on. There seems to be a "new" XF250 shown here;
http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/enduro/xf250.php

That one does look Honda based. But, look at the cylinder head. There is no way that is a 250. More like a 125. What's up with that?

[Dusman]

I too was looking at the XF250 over a year ago but my understanding was that while it’s a super reliable dual sport, parts could be hard to come by. This fellow is a member here and did some great videos and a 15K mile review on this bike:



He said he thought the engine was based on a Suzuki TU250.

[Dusman]

Here’s a video of the same gentleman riding the XF as it reached @ 22K miles earlier this year:

[wheelbender6]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

The engine is based off the CB250. It has the OHC. Not sure what bike the plastics will swap with.
Have you looked at the Orion RXB-250L ? https://www.orionpowersports.com/ori...embled-tested/

Looks like the Orion is out of stock now. Is the Orion noticably faster than the 229cc OHV dual sports?

[dh]

Dusman thanks for the positive review on the videos!

Wlfpk, the Xf250 uses the same 249cc engine (GS250) as the Suzuki TU250x in carb'd form. The company that makes it claims to have some strong ties to Suzuki. Engine and trans parts are interchangeable. Plastics, tank, seat, etc might be interchangeable with DR stuff but I'm not really sure. There are a ton of sources for parts though, but lately SSR has improved their parts inventory and I'm getting parts in 5 business days from my local parts store/shop and I feel better supporting them.

I need to do another vid soon since I just added an Amazon pipe which sounds pretty cool and gave me a little bump in power I was able to set a new record of 83 mph last week which was sketchy! The Shinkos I have like to follow the ice grooves big time. I'm going to be hitting 25,000 miles in the next month or two at the rate I'm going.

Update: Just did a long overdue valve adjustment (7,000 miles yikes) and little to no adjustment needed. Still does 70 all day long and doesn't burn oil.

I would buy one again in a heartbeat assuming I can get the price under the 3 grand mark.

[dh]

Originally Posted by david3921

Ok, something weird is going on. There seems to be a "new" XF250 shown here;
http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/enduro/xf250.php

That one does look Honda based. But, look at the cylinder head. There is no way that is a 250. More like a 125. What's up with that?

David unless I missed something on the SSR site, the only difference in this "New" one and my 2013 is the addition of the gas gauge.

Also I should add that I hit 83 mph on the highway with a tailwind so that's not the norm.

[NzBrakelathes]

Qingqi who makes these is dead in China
All local sales of all their models are gone burgers
Maybe they still export under their sister company brand “Pioneer”

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by david3921

Sorry to correct you but it's based on the Suzuki 250 rather than a Honda. If it's fuel injected, then it would be the TU250. These have the same frames as the Suzukis and the motor bits will probably interchange but that's about it.

I stand corrected. That's what happens when you looking at this stuff on your phone. lol

[dh]

Originally Posted by NzBrakelathes

Qingqi who makes these is dead in China
All local sales of all their models are gone burgers
Maybe they still export under their sister company brand “Pioneer”

Yes these are manufactured under the Pioneer brand. I'm very happy with the quality.

Qingqi's website says they are now focusing on retro bikes. I have also read that around 2017 the big EU distributor of their off-road bikes dumped the XF models in favor of some new Zongshen products like a 125cc RX1 Cyclone, maybe due to emissions and/or ABS stuff. Shortly before that Qingqi developed an EFI version of this bike, but apparently it wasn't good enough. Their EU distributor still sells parts for this bike on their website and on Amazon which is nice.

[david3921]

Originally Posted by dh

David unless I missed something on the SSR site, the only difference in this "New" one and my 2013 is the addition of the gas gauge.

Also I should add that I hit 83 mph on the highway with a tailwind so that's not the norm.

Take a look at the cylinder head on the new 250, dh, and compare it to yours. Even if it is now Honda based, the engine's head is way too small to be 249cc as they state in the specs. What is a customer really going to get if they order one?

[dh]

David it looks identical to mine and mine is a 249cc. The engine goes right up to the bottom of the tank and it doesn't look small in person.

[culcune]

On the latest EPA certification list, these are still listed as manufactured by Pioneer, and since it is such a pain to put a brand new engine/bike through testing, not to mention time, so there would most certainly be a gap between bikes had there been a new engine. SSR has been getting these certified year after year for a few years now (it is easier to keep renewing the certificate annually than having a gap in production), so these would be the tried and true XF250 we all know and love!

dh--if you have time, call Kronik Racing. He has an interesting opinion on the quality of the engines in spite of what I mentioned about you and your bike.