Trying to sell lifan duel sport.

mdx1980 · 03-26-2019, 03:39 PM

I have a question on selling a Lifan duel sport I got back in 2009. long story but I got stuck with a bike with no bill of sale and no paper work. the seller was online in TX and sometime after buying it the website was gone. This was a crate bike I bought and put together. the engine was never started or used. Its been sitting here for a long time now. I live in louisiana and just want to sell the bike. any advice on how to do that?

culcune · 03-27-2019, 12:36 AM

I think I remember some issues with the old American Lifan headquartered in Dallas (they have since reorganized and are in So. California) and one of their enduros, the GY-2, which I assume is what you have. From what I remember, Lifan imported a bunch here, but they were off-road only bikes, and American Lifan wanted to get rid of them cheap and quickly and without paperwork. They had also been having issues with other importers bringing in their very popular GY-5 enduro as 'gray-area' bikes, but that is a different story. Anyway, they refused to sell the bikes with paperwork, and were essentially parts bikes, which a fly-by-night outfit must have gotten hold of for cheap and sold them as street-legal bikes. You mentioned Texas, and getting ripped off, so my guess is the fly-by-night company was owned by a guy from India who nicknamed himself 'Manny.' You won't get that, but there will be members here that do...

Bruces · 03-27-2019, 06:49 AM

Would it be worth a try to go the Vermont route for paperwork ?

mdx1980 · 03-27-2019, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by culcune

I think I remember some issues with the old American Lifan headquartered in Dallas (they have since reorganized and are in So. California) and one of their enduros, the GY-2, which I assume is what you have. From what I remember, Lifan imported a bunch here, but they were off-road only bikes, and American Lifan wanted to get rid of them cheap and quickly and without paperwork. They had also been having issues with other importers bringing in their very popular GY-5 enduro as 'gray-area' bikes, but that is a different story. Anyway, they refused to sell the bikes with paperwork, and were essentially parts bikes, which a fly-by-night outfit must have gotten hold of for cheap and sold them as street-legal bikes. You mentioned Texas, and getting ripped off, so my guess is the fly-by-night company was owned by a guy from India who nicknamed himself 'Manny.' You won't get that, but there will be members here that do...

Yes this is exactly the type of mess I am in. I paid for everything to PayPal but I can no longer get the receipt for that. The seller had an email address and a phone number. The story goes with the person I talked to is that their business was going out of business and that they were selling these bikes on the Internet through her account. And the woman's PayPal account was a completely different business. After that, they kept making excuses about going find the paperwork and it stops answering calls altogether. I tried using the email one last time but apparently, I was told that the email and the business were claimed by another person so they say. But I can no longer reach these people and I lost their contact information.

Right now I'm just wondering if I can sell this thing as a dirt bike and not have a need to register it or have a title if that is even possible. I'm currently in the state of Louisiana.

**JerryHawk250** · 03-27-2019, 08:05 AM

I would check with the DMV. I think there's a process you can go through to get it titled.

2LZ · 03-27-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

I would check with the DMV. I think there's a process you can go through to get it titled.

Yep. If I can do that here in CA, it should be able to be done anywhere. Last bike I had with no paperwork, I had to sign an affidavit stating that I had no idea of the history or previous owners. They can run the VIN to see if it was a stolen vehicle.
My Yamaha is exactly in the same boat....but my brother's taking it so I'll leave it to him.

culcune · 03-27-2019, 12:20 PM

I know you can get a bonded title through a company for a fee, but perhaps there is a free route through your state's DMV?

**JerryHawk250** · 03-27-2019, 02:01 PM

If all else fails you could apply with a custom motorcycle frame MCO. https://mcostore.com/MCO-MOTORCYCLE-FRAME.htm

cbrfxr67 · 03-28-2019, 09:55 AM

I'm guessing you're trying to sell it to get what you have in it? Otherwise, why worry about it? Just list it for what you want and sell it with a bill of sale?

mdx1980 · 04-05-2019, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cbrfxr67

I'm guessing you're trying to sell it to get what you have in it? Otherwise, why worry about it? Just list it for what you want and sell it with a bill of sale?

So I can do a bill of sale and not worry about legal problems?

mdx1980 · 04-05-2019, 05:20 PM

Checked out the Vin number and it came back all clean.

psychprof · 04-05-2019, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mdx1980

So I can do a bill of sale and not worry about legal problems?

What legal problems would you possibly have? Half the bikes on Craigslist are sold without titles (especially dirt bikes), and even some cars and trucks.

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Originally Posted by mdx1980

Checked out the Vin number and it came back all clean.

Why wouldn't it come back clean?! You've had it since 2009 and you bought it while it was still in a crate. It's never been titled before...makes sense the VIN is clean.

I liked Jerry's recommendation the best. Seen here:

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

If all else fails you could apply with a custom motorcycle frame MCO. https://mcostore.com/MCO-MOTORCYCLE-FRAME.htm

Jerry, have you known anyone who has used that option? It would be great if it works as smooth as they say on their website.

mdx1980 · 04-05-2019, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by psychprof

What legal problems would you possibly have? Half the bikes on Craigslist are sold without titles (especially dirt bikes), and even some cars and trucks.

Why wouldn't it come back clean?! You've had it since 2009 and you bought it while it was still in a crate. It's never been titled before...makes sense the VIN is clean.

I liked Jerry's recommendation the best. Seen here:

Jerry, have you known anyone who has used that option? It would be great if it works as smooth as they say on their website.

Ok, thanks for all the info guys.

03-26-2019, 03:39 PM	#1
mdx1980 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12	Trying to sell lifan duel sport. I have a question on selling a Lifan duel sport I got back in 2009. long story but I got stuck with a bike with no bill of sale and no paper work. the seller was online in TX and sometime after buying it the website was gone. This was a crate bike I bought and put together. the engine was never started or used. Its been sitting here for a long time now. I live in louisiana and just want to sell the bike. any advice on how to do that?
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03-27-2019, 12:36 AM	#2
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	I think I remember some issues with the old American Lifan headquartered in Dallas (they have since reorganized and are in So. California) and one of their enduros, the GY-2, which I assume is what you have. From what I remember, Lifan imported a bunch here, but they were off-road only bikes, and American Lifan wanted to get rid of them cheap and quickly and without paperwork. They had also been having issues with other importers bringing in their very popular GY-5 enduro as 'gray-area' bikes, but that is a different story. Anyway, they refused to sell the bikes with paperwork, and were essentially parts bikes, which a fly-by-night outfit must have gotten hold of for cheap and sold them as street-legal bikes. You mentioned Texas, and getting ripped off, so my guess is the fly-by-night company was owned by a guy from India who nicknamed himself 'Manny.' You won't get that, but there will be members here that do... __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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03-27-2019, 08:05 AM	#5
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03-27-2019, 12:20 PM	#7
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	I know you can get a bonded title through a company for a fee, but perhaps there is a free route through your state's DMV? __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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03-27-2019, 02:01 PM	#8
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,554	If all else fails you could apply with a custom motorcycle frame MCO. https://mcostore.com/MCO-MOTORCYCLE-FRAME.htm __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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03-27-2019, 06:49 AM	#3
Bruces Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 1,578	Would it be worth a try to go the Vermont route for paperwork ?
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03-28-2019, 09:55 AM	#9
cbrfxr67 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: HOuston Posts: 357	I'm guessing you're trying to sell it to get what you have in it? Otherwise, why worry about it? Just list it for what you want and sell it with a bill of sale? __________________ BD125-15
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04-05-2019, 05:20 PM	#11
mdx1980 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12	clean bike Checked out the Vin number and it came back all clean.
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