"LINDA" Lifan200 in a '72 Honda Help!

surveywaters · 01-02-2011, 10:11 AM

Got a Lifan 200cc 163fml to put in a 1972 Honda CB 175 super sport.
The parallel twin in the Honda has lost all compression and the head has seriuos damage. Replacement pistons could not be found so an engine swap was the route chosen.

http://s799.photobucket.com/albums/y...20200%20Lifan/

I need help with the wiring from anyone who has retro fitted one of these. There are two harnesses coming out of the crank and this is confusing me. I looked at the diagram for an LF200 and it looks like the six lead plug is for a gear indicator and the five lead is for the magneto. Is this the case?

Jim · 01-02-2011, 10:41 AM

The gio beast has the same wires there, the gear indicator plug is only used on it for the neutral indicator I believe, the rest are left unconnected.

Here's a diagram doc posted when I was looking at wiring on the beast before I took it to weldangrinds... http://www.hooperimports.com/showpages.asp?pid=1013 It shows you the 5 connections. Good luck. You'll want the vertical engine one I believe, the colors may not match though.

Weldangrind · 01-02-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim

the colors may not match though.

Indeed. Jim and I each have a 200cc Beast atv that was manufactured in April 2007, and the wiring harnesses are not identical.

FastDoc · 01-02-2011, 07:22 PM

The other cable with the small wires is for the gear position indicator and can be ignored but one of them, who knows which, may operate the neutral light.

Great project. Sounds like a neat bike. Needless to say we want a steady stream of pictures.

FastDoc · 01-02-2011, 07:24 PM

I can't imagine it will be a drop in installation. Do the mounts line up? Are the sprockets and chain in line? It will likely have a little less power than the bike did when new, but it may also be a bit lighter. A very interesting project!

surveywaters · 01-02-2011, 07:58 PM

No, the mounts don't mate at all. They are however the same offset from the drive sprocket over. I've got a CB 125 front engine mount on the way to do a little mod on. That will mount the front of the engine then I'll build a brackets to mount the rear and head, I'll also be fabbin a nwew header. All that engineering, cutting, grinding, and welding is right up my alley and what I consider easy/fun. The electrical however has always been my weak point. Especially when I get three wiring diagrams with three different sets of colors, none of which match the colors coming out of my engine.
You are correct about the power as well. From what I've read, the lifan 200cc has 16hp, that's about 4hp less than the Honda twin 175. However, the Lifan looks like it will produce the same if not a touch more torque which will work out great. Regardless, anything will be stronger than what was on there. The original engine has been gettting weaker and weaker.

FastDoc · 01-02-2011, 08:03 PM

I just built a great Honda/Lifan hybrid. If the diagram's not enough to get you through it PM me for my phone number and I'll talk you through it. Also look at my Honda/Lifan (The Dirt Rat) threads.

Bill

surveywaters · 01-02-2011, 09:17 PM

I really appreciate that Bill.

I am sure I'll take you up on it. One quick question, anyone know if this is a suitable CDI?
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/produc...fCatId=&mmyId=

The plugs look like they're setup right and the fitment is for similar sized Hondas.
I don't really care about rev because I don't plan to rag the bike but the BBR stuf gets great quality reviews.

FastDoc · 01-02-2011, 09:40 PM

It's probably right. The only variable is that some have rounded plugs as that one appears to have and others are squared off. Just go by the plug that the motor has. Mine did not have a plug at all, just wires that I added a plug donated by one of our forum's members.

I'm running the one that came with my engine and it works fine. It's the $15 variety but they do not have a reputation for longevity.

surveywaters · 01-02-2011, 09:45 PM

The plug ont the motor has charging leads as well as ignition leads. It's my understand that the plug there is only to be hooked to a harness which then seperates the leads to the appropriate connections, ie the reg/rec, and the CDI. I'm thinking about getting this http://www.hooperimports.com/product.aspx?pf_id=DSWire
Looks like it has all the right connections, one for the engine, one for the CDI, a plug for the reg/rec, and connections to tie the charging to the battery. For $40 it would be hard to buy these plugs and build it myself.

Jim · 01-02-2011, 11:21 PM

I think it should do the trick, by the way I really like the bike so far

Weldangrind · 01-03-2011, 03:21 PM

As a point of trivia, hp used to be rated at the crankshaft, and now it's rated at the wheel. It is possible that the original engine and the new 200 will be about the same.

Roughly translated from Spanish, "Linda" means beautiful (among other synonyms).

Excellent name choice.

Did you paint the rims yourself? How did you prep them?

FastDoc · 01-03-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by surveywaters

The plug ont the motor has charging leads as well as ignition leads. It's my understand that the plug there is only to be hooked to a harness which then seperates the leads to the appropriate connections, ie the reg/rec, and the CDI. I'm thinking about getting this http://www.hooperimports.com/product.aspx?pf_id=DSWire
Looks like it has all the right connections, one for the engine, one for the CDI, a plug for the reg/rec, and connections to tie the charging to the battery. For $40 it would be hard to buy these plugs and build it myself.

That looks like the best and most cost effective solution. Larry is a good guy there. You can talk to him for advise on the telephone.

surveywaters · 01-03-2011, 06:08 PM

The rims and spokes were sand blasted, then the hub got soda blasted (best way to clean aluminum IMHO), wash with dawn/hot water, let dry, degrease with acetone, then it was all primed with acid etch primer. At this point the tube/tire goes on. Didn't inflate so I could get the tape between the bead and rim. Masked the tire off real good, degrease again, another coat of primer for good measure, then 2 coats base, 2 coats clear.
No matter how good you do this, it's gonna get scratch during the next tire change so don't go cheap on the skins!

Powder coat would be best but I don't know anything about the process or how it would effect the brake drum or if they would even powder the spokes.

I am having trouble with the tank though. That's just rattle can because I wanted the matte look, the petrol is destroying it though. Any suggestions on a decent auto coat that has the look I'm going for?

surveywaters · 01-03-2011, 07:05 PM

Here are some pics of the rims obn my '74 XL 125. Just painted them the same way but closer pics
http://s799.photobucket.com/albums/y...74%20xl%20125/

01-02-2011, 10:11 AM	#1
surveywaters Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 27	"LINDA" Lifan200 in a '72 Honda Help! Got a Lifan 200cc 163fml to put in a 1972 Honda CB 175 super sport. The parallel twin in the Honda has lost all compression and the head has seriuos damage. Replacement pistons could not be found so an engine swap was the route chosen. http://s799.photobucket.com/albums/y...20200%20Lifan/ I need help with the wiring from anyone who has retro fitted one of these. There are two harnesses coming out of the crank and this is confusing me. I looked at the diagram for an LF200 and it looks like the six lead plug is for a gear indicator and the five lead is for the magneto. Is this the case?
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01-02-2011, 10:41 AM	#2
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	The gio beast has the same wires there, the gear indicator plug is only used on it for the neutral indicator I believe, the rest are left unconnected. Here's a diagram doc posted when I was looking at wiring on the beast before I took it to weldangrinds... http://www.hooperimports.com/showpages.asp?pid=1013 It shows you the 5 connections. Good luck. You'll want the vertical engine one I believe, the colors may not match though. __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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01-02-2011, 07:22 PM	#4
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	The other cable with the small wires is for the gear position indicator and can be ignored but one of them, who knows which, may operate the neutral light. Great project. Sounds like a neat bike. Needless to say we want a steady stream of pictures. __________________ Happy to serve.
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01-02-2011, 07:24 PM	#5
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I can't imagine it will be a drop in installation. Do the mounts line up? Are the sprockets and chain in line? It will likely have a little less power than the bike did when new, but it may also be a bit lighter. A very interesting project! __________________ Happy to serve.
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01-02-2011, 08:03 PM	#7
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I just built a great Honda/Lifan hybrid. If the diagram's not enough to get you through it PM me for my phone number and I'll talk you through it. Also look at my Honda/Lifan (The Dirt Rat) threads. Bill __________________ Happy to serve.
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01-02-2011, 07:58 PM	#6
surveywaters Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 27	No, the mounts don't mate at all. They are however the same offset from the drive sprocket over. I've got a CB 125 front engine mount on the way to do a little mod on. That will mount the front of the engine then I'll build a brackets to mount the rear and head, I'll also be fabbin a nwew header. All that engineering, cutting, grinding, and welding is right up my alley and what I consider easy/fun. The electrical however has always been my weak point. Especially when I get three wiring diagrams with three different sets of colors, none of which match the colors coming out of my engine. You are correct about the power as well. From what I've read, the lifan 200cc has 16hp, that's about 4hp less than the Honda twin 175. However, the Lifan looks like it will produce the same if not a touch more torque which will work out great. Regardless, anything will be stronger than what was on there. The original engine has been gettting weaker and weaker.
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01-02-2011, 09:17 PM	#8
surveywaters Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 27	I really appreciate that Bill. I am sure I'll take you up on it. One quick question, anyone know if this is a suitable CDI? http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/produc...fCatId=&mmyId= The plugs look like they're setup right and the fitment is for similar sized Hondas. I don't really care about rev because I don't plan to rag the bike but the BBR stuf gets great quality reviews.
	0

01-02-2011, 09:40 PM	#9
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	It's probably right. The only variable is that some have rounded plugs as that one appears to have and others are squared off. Just go by the plug that the motor has. Mine did not have a plug at all, just wires that I added a plug donated by one of our forum's members. I'm running the one that came with my engine and it works fine. It's the $15 variety but they do not have a reputation for longevity. __________________ Happy to serve.
	0

01-02-2011, 09:45 PM	#10
surveywaters Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 27	The plug ont the motor has charging leads as well as ignition leads. It's my understand that the plug there is only to be hooked to a harness which then seperates the leads to the appropriate connections, ie the reg/rec, and the CDI. I'm thinking about getting this http://www.hooperimports.com/product.aspx?pf_id=DSWire Looks like it has all the right connections, one for the engine, one for the CDI, a plug for the reg/rec, and connections to tie the charging to the battery. For $40 it would be hard to buy these plugs and build it myself.
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01-02-2011, 11:21 PM	#11
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	I think it should do the trick, by the way I really like the bike so far __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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01-03-2011, 03:21 PM	#12
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	As a point of trivia, hp used to be rated at the crankshaft, and now it's rated at the wheel. It is possible that the original engine and the new 200 will be about the same. Roughly translated from Spanish, "Linda" means beautiful (among other synonyms). Excellent name choice. Did you paint the rims yourself? How did you prep them? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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01-03-2011, 06:08 PM	#14
surveywaters Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 27	The rims and spokes were sand blasted, then the hub got soda blasted (best way to clean aluminum IMHO), wash with dawn/hot water, let dry, degrease with acetone, then it was all primed with acid etch primer. At this point the tube/tire goes on. Didn't inflate so I could get the tape between the bead and rim. Masked the tire off real good, degrease again, another coat of primer for good measure, then 2 coats base, 2 coats clear. No matter how good you do this, it's gonna get scratch during the next tire change so don't go cheap on the skins! Powder coat would be best but I don't know anything about the process or how it would effect the brake drum or if they would even powder the spokes. I am having trouble with the tank though. That's just rattle can because I wanted the matte look, the petrol is destroying it though. Any suggestions on a decent auto coat that has the look I'm going for?
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01-03-2011, 07:05 PM	#15
surveywaters Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 27	Here are some pics of the rims obn my '74 XL 125. Just painted them the same way but closer pics http://s799.photobucket.com/albums/y...74%20xl%20125/
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