163 FML cylinder head

bobberjohn · 12-11-2008, 03:30 PM

Anyone know where I could purchase a new
or used (no cracks!) Lifan 163 FML head? Looking
to do a full port job, and still want to keep my
low mile stocker as a backup.

Qingdao · 12-14-2008, 01:38 AM

You can buy a whole engine for under $400 last I checked.

I don't think you will find a seperate head though. Just cause of the small useful life of a china bike.

bobberjohn · 12-14-2008, 08:24 PM

Many thanks for the reply. What sort of "high wear parts"
should I expect from the 200? I'm also running a custom
stepped header (1" to 1.250" to 1.50" collector) and
noticed your jetting. I appreciate
the openness to share performance insites. Was wanting to
flow around 80-85 percent exhaust to intake ratio, and feel there is
a lot of potential in the little engine. Thanks again for the reply.
By the way, what combinations of piston and connecting rod options
are available for it? Flycutting, decking the piston, re-ground cam, etc. isn't a problem.

Qingdao · 12-15-2008, 02:46 AM

Everything on these bikes like to go pretty fast, but I have heard of more electrical problems than any other thing. Mainly the battery and charging systems.

As far as performance there is not much you can do. I guess high modification isn't a problem, but I don't know if the little motor could take it. Custom from a machine shop is going to be your best bet.

You could mabye find a piston, cam, or rods at a dealer ship, but they usualy don't do "parts in a bin" any more so you'd have to know a motor thats simmilar.

katoranger · 12-15-2008, 08:09 AM

You might want to post in the wanted section and also give Bruce a call at EJcycles. 330-274-0098 He may have one.

Allen

bobberjohn · 12-15-2008, 07:26 PM

Many thanks for the replies. Glad I found the forum,
it's proved to be very informative. Might do some
research into Honda engines to find a close match
to piston diameter, stroke, rod length, cam timing, etc. Good forum
ya'll have. Clean and lots of info.

katoranger · 12-16-2008, 03:40 PM

For the honda look at the xl185 and the atc engines. Also the crf230 I think. One of them might be close.

Allen

elroyjetsn · 12-16-2008, 08:17 PM

This may be what you're after. Says from a GY6, but being sold as a "150".

http://www.chineseatvpart.com/cylind...50cc-atv/p221/

Any Honda CG head will probably do as well.

DDG1976 · 12-17-2008, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elroyjetsn

This may be what you're after. Says from a GY6, but being sold as a "150".

http://www.chineseatvpart.com/cylind...50cc-atv/p221/

Any Honda CG head will probably do as well.

I think that one's overhead cam. I think he's looking for a pushrod head.

elroyjetsn · 12-17-2008, 11:22 AM

This is what an OHC should look like:

katoranger · 12-17-2008, 11:27 AM

Thanks for clarifying. My suggestions would be OHC and probably not work.

Need to look at the GY2 type engines. Again Bruce may have one from a damaged engine etc.

Allen

bobberjohn · 12-17-2008, 06:59 PM

Mine's definately the OHC. Wish there was enough meat in there
to press in a cast iron cylinder wall. If I come up with anything, I'll
post up. Many thanks for the replies. Again, you folks have a very
good forum. Glad I found you folks.

suprf1y · 12-17-2008, 07:20 PM

If you need any help with the cam, and can take a few measurements, let me know, I'm in the custom cam business.
I likely don't have any good profiles for your application, but I can probably point you in the right direction

bobberjohn · 12-19-2008, 04:50 PM

What are your re-grind parameters as far as
tightening up the lobe center, lift change in
thousandth's and duration gain? I'm Sure there are no
cam cores for this thing! I'm guessing duration is around
210-220 . Emailed the company with the cylinder head
(150 and suposedly 200 sport bike) and have yet
to hear back.

suprf1y · 12-19-2008, 07:15 PM

Good call on the duration numbers.
It sounds like you know cams.
My guess would have been exactly the same.
As far as lobe center, I would leave it.
If you're after a lift/duration increase, you're going to eat up all the spare lobe you have doing that. I don't know what you want to do, but I think a D around 235-245 at .050" might be a good start. Lift on those cams is probably somewhere in the .200"-.240" range.
Depending on base circle diameter, I like to stay in and around +.035"-.040" in lobe lift, and and +20-30 in duration at .050". That usually keeps the geometry OK, and has little effect on rocker ratio. Those lobes will likely also have a real steep ramp on one side. Try to stay with a profile similar in appearance. It will help performance, but also reduce base circle reduction.

12-11-2008, 03:30 PM	#1
bobberjohn Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 18	163 FML cylinder head Anyone know where I could purchase a new or used (no cracks!) Lifan 163 FML head? Looking to do a full port job, and still want to keep my low mile stocker as a backup.
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12-14-2008, 01:38 AM	#2
Qingdao Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 351	You can buy a whole engine for under $400 last I checked. I don't think you will find a seperate head though. Just cause of the small useful life of a china bike. __________________ <div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ilH...s</a></div><br />
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12-15-2008, 02:46 AM	#4
Qingdao Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 351	Everything on these bikes like to go pretty fast, but I have heard of more electrical problems than any other thing. Mainly the battery and charging systems. As far as performance there is not much you can do. I guess high modification isn't a problem, but I don't know if the little motor could take it. Custom from a machine shop is going to be your best bet. You could mabye find a piston, cam, or rods at a dealer ship, but they usualy don't do "parts in a bin" any more so you'd have to know a motor thats simmilar. __________________ <div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ilH...s</a></div><br />
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12-15-2008, 08:09 AM	#5
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	You might want to post in the wanted section and also give Bruce a call at EJcycles. 330-274-0098 He may have one. Allen __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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12-16-2008, 03:40 PM	#7
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	For the honda look at the xl185 and the atc engines. Also the crf230 I think. One of them might be close. Allen __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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12-14-2008, 08:24 PM	#3
bobberjohn Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 18	Many thanks for the reply. What sort of "high wear parts" should I expect from the 200? I'm also running a custom stepped header (1" to 1.250" to 1.50" collector) and noticed your jetting. I appreciate the openness to share performance insites. Was wanting to flow around 80-85 percent exhaust to intake ratio, and feel there is a lot of potential in the little engine. Thanks again for the reply. By the way, what combinations of piston and connecting rod options are available for it? Flycutting, decking the piston, re-ground cam, etc. isn't a problem.
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12-15-2008, 07:26 PM	#6
bobberjohn Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 18	Many thanks for the replies. Glad I found the forum, it's proved to be very informative. Might do some research into Honda engines to find a close match to piston diameter, stroke, rod length, cam timing, etc. Good forum ya'll have. Clean and lots of info.
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12-16-2008, 08:17 PM	#8
elroyjetsn Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 629	New Cylinder Heads This may be what you're after. Says from a GY6, but being sold as a "150". http://www.chineseatvpart.com/cylind...50cc-atv/p221/ Any Honda CG head will probably do as well. __________________ Wayne Wildfire WF300-SP
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12-17-2008, 11:22 AM	#10
elroyjetsn Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 629	This is what an OHC should look like: __________________ Wayne Wildfire WF300-SP
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12-17-2008, 11:27 AM	#11
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Thanks for clarifying. My suggestions would be OHC and probably not work. Need to look at the GY2 type engines. Again Bruce may have one from a damaged engine etc. Allen __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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12-17-2008, 06:59 PM	#12
bobberjohn Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 18	Mine's definately the OHC. Wish there was enough meat in there to press in a cast iron cylinder wall. If I come up with anything, I'll post up. Many thanks for the replies. Again, you folks have a very good forum. Glad I found you folks.
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12-17-2008, 07:20 PM	#13
suprf1y Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SW Ontario Posts: 408	If you need any help with the cam, and can take a few measurements, let me know, I'm in the custom cam business. I likely don't have any good profiles for your application, but I can probably point you in the right direction
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12-19-2008, 04:50 PM	#14
bobberjohn Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 18	What are your re-grind parameters as far as tightening up the lobe center, lift change in thousandth's and duration gain? I'm Sure there are no cam cores for this thing! I'm guessing duration is around 210-220 . Emailed the company with the cylinder head (150 and suposedly 200 sport bike) and have yet to hear back.
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12-19-2008, 07:15 PM	#15
suprf1y Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SW Ontario Posts: 408	Good call on the duration numbers. It sounds like you know cams. My guess would have been exactly the same. As far as lobe center, I would leave it. If you're after a lift/duration increase, you're going to eat up all the spare lobe you have doing that. I don't know what you want to do, but I think a D around 235-245 at .050" might be a good start. Lift on those cams is probably somewhere in the .200"-.240" range. Depending on base circle diameter, I like to stay in and around +.035"-.040" in lobe lift, and and +20-30 in duration at .050". That usually keeps the geometry OK, and has little effect on rocker ratio. Those lobes will likely also have a real steep ramp on one side. Try to stay with a profile similar in appearance. It will help performance, but also reduce base circle reduction.
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