Zongshen 450?

No1Vic · 04-24-2016, 08:26 AM

Can't get links to work but this seller on taobao appears to have the 450 engine for $1543

pyoungbl · 04-24-2016, 08:41 AM

Bad link

SpudRider · 04-24-2016, 09:02 AM

X2; I got a bad link.

dpl096 · 04-24-2016, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No1Vic

http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/deta...id=25216172723

Does this mean it's available to buy?

Didn't someone post a pic or article of a Zongshen 5-year plan that showed the development of much larger cc bikes for US sales?

SpudRider · 04-24-2016, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpl096

Didn't someone post a pic or article of a Zongshen 5-year plan that showed the development of much larger cc bikes for US sales?

Yes, the Zongshen plan has the RX4 slated for introduction in 2017.

http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....postcount=4969

detours · 04-24-2016, 09:24 AM

I hope this link works. It's from my tablet.

http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/deta...id=25216172723

Edit: non-mobile link

https://world.taobao.com/item/25216172723.htm

SpudRider · 04-24-2016, 09:59 AM

Thanks for trying, but I still get a bad link.

dave92029 · 04-24-2016, 10:37 AM

A 450cc engine is an exciting prospect. In addition to the larger displacement engine they will probably have to modify and improve the brakes, suspension and frame to match the extra power of the larger engine.

This would make for a very attractive bike.

When will CSC begin to accept orders? I want to get in line.

detours · 04-24-2016, 12:56 PM

Here's a link for non-mobile devices:

https://world.taobao.com/item/25216172723.htm

I don't think it's ready yet ... the translation says:

NC450 is currently undergoing final testing
Our preparations underway related accessories
Official sales have been just around the corner, so stay tuned!

Edit: I don't know why the link doesn't work. Here's how to access it ... go to https://world.taobao.com and search for 'zongshen nc450'.

SpudRider · 04-24-2016, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detours

Here's a link for non-mobile devices:

https://world.taobao.com/item/25216172723.htm

I don't think it's ready yet ... the translation says:

NC450 is currently undergoing final testing
Our preparations underway related accessories
Official sales have been just around the corner, so stay tuned!

Thanks for trying another link, but it still won't connect on my computer.

Your information is consistent with an introduction of the RX4 motorcycle next year.

SpudRider · 04-24-2016, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No1Vic

Can't get links to work but this seller on taobao appears to have the 450 engine for $1543

Thanks for editing your post, and including the images.

The NC450 engine has been in production for at least several months.

However, based upon the information from Detours and the published plans of Zongshen, the RX4 motorcycle will not be released until 2017.

detours · 04-24-2016, 01:30 PM

Here are the dimensions of the NC250 vs the NC450:

The NC450 is 40mm (1.5") taller than the NC250.
In overall length the NC450 is 4.3mm (.2") shorter
The front and bottom two mounting holes are dimensionally identical
On the NC450, the CS sprocket is 9mm (.35") higher than the NC250.

So, in terms of a drop-in replacement, I'm not sure there's an extra 1.5" under the gas tank to accommodate the NC450 height, without some modification. And we would have to make sure the chain would clear the frame. There may be other frame fitment issues too.

NC250

NC450

dpl096 · 04-24-2016, 01:47 PM

I would think the evolution of the RX4 will be watched closely by many given the ever expanding growth and proven durability of the RX3. Ive read too many posts of people with the "bigger is better" mindset saying that's the range they are wanting .... I'm gonna stick with the 250 ... be is an RX3 or Bashan - I think it's the perfect buzz to town and go exploring the country roads size.. just my opinion. 6 years ago I bought a KLR650 for that purpose and it didnt take long to realize it was too big and bulky for me to lug around fence rows, cow paths and field waterways/drainage ditches.... at least for me it was.

Lee R · 04-24-2016, 04:00 PM

250's not bad at all for sub 65mph work but a 450 if it's only a small weight penalty would make the RX3 shine bright amongst a larger group of riders. With a 450 you should get excellent performance to 85mph or so which means lower RPM's and a comfortable cruise on the highway which would eliminate the only weakness the RX3 has. I'm positive a 450cc similar design wouldn't weigh much more than the current 250cc.

The ADV world has been drooling for a 450cc bike for a long time now.

Eco Mouse · 04-24-2016, 05:22 PM

The CB500X is already 471cc... proven design, world engine. A true 65 mpg, and 85 mph highway cruising speed. Plus, being a parallel twin, it will naturally be smoother than a larger displacement thumper.

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SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	X2; I got a bad link. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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04-24-2016, 09:24 AM	#6
detours Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 1,004	I hope this link works. It's from my tablet. http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/deta...id=25216172723 Edit: non-mobile link https://world.taobao.com/item/25216172723.htm __________________ Red 5 standing by! 2015 CSC red RX3 with 19" front wheel, Shinko 804/805, skid plate, tall seat, 13T/45T sprockets, progressive shock, Winyoochanok windshield, GENSSI LED headlight, SW-Motech tankbag, Shorai Lithium battery 2014 Ural Patrol Last edited by detours; 04-24-2016 at 12:56 PM. Reason: fixed link
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04-24-2016, 09:59 AM	#7
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Thanks for trying, but I still get a bad link. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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04-24-2016, 10:37 AM	#8
dave92029 Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 117	450cc engine A 450cc engine is an exciting prospect. In addition to the larger displacement engine they will probably have to modify and improve the brakes, suspension and frame to match the extra power of the larger engine. This would make for a very attractive bike. When will CSC begin to accept orders? I want to get in line. __________________ Dave
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04-24-2016, 12:56 PM	#9
detours Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 1,004	Here's a link for non-mobile devices: https://world.taobao.com/item/25216172723.htm I don't think it's ready yet ... the translation says: NC450 is currently undergoing final testing Our preparations underway related accessories Official sales have been just around the corner, so stay tuned! Edit: I don't know why the link doesn't work. Here's how to access it ... go to https://world.taobao.com and search for 'zongshen nc450'. __________________ Red 5 standing by! 2015 CSC red RX3 with 19" front wheel, Shinko 804/805, skid plate, tall seat, 13T/45T sprockets, progressive shock, Winyoochanok windshield, GENSSI LED headlight, SW-Motech tankbag, Shorai Lithium battery 2014 Ural Patrol Last edited by detours; 04-26-2016 at 02:02 AM. Reason: fix link
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04-24-2016, 08:41 AM	#2
pyoungbl Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Portsmouth, Virginia, USA Posts: 632	Bad link
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04-24-2016, 01:30 PM	#12
detours Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Arvada, CO Posts: 1,004	Here are the dimensions of the NC250 vs the NC450: The NC450 is 40mm (1.5") taller than the NC250. In overall length the NC450 is 4.3mm (.2") shorter The front and bottom two mounting holes are dimensionally identical On the NC450, the CS sprocket is 9mm (.35") higher than the NC250. So, in terms of a drop-in replacement, I'm not sure there's an extra 1.5" under the gas tank to accommodate the NC450 height, without some modification. And we would have to make sure the chain would clear the frame. There may be other frame fitment issues too. NC250 NC450 __________________ Red 5 standing by! 2015 CSC red RX3 with 19" front wheel, Shinko 804/805, skid plate, tall seat, 13T/45T sprockets, progressive shock, Winyoochanok windshield, GENSSI LED headlight, SW-Motech tankbag, Shorai Lithium battery 2014 Ural Patrol
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04-24-2016, 01:47 PM	#13
dpl096 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: East Central Hellinois Posts: 1,344	I would think the evolution of the RX4 will be watched closely by many given the ever expanding growth and proven durability of the RX3. Ive read too many posts of people with the "bigger is better" mindset saying that's the range they are wanting .... I'm gonna stick with the 250 ... be is an RX3 or Bashan - I think it's the perfect buzz to town and go exploring the country roads size.. just my opinion. 6 years ago I bought a KLR650 for that purpose and it didnt take long to realize it was too big and bulky for me to lug around fence rows, cow paths and field waterways/drainage ditches.... at least for me it was. __________________ ************************************************ * " Time you enjoy wasting, is not wasted." - John Lennon “I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” ― Thomas Jefferson "If you don't know where you're going any road will take you there" ....George Harrison song
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04-24-2016, 04:00 PM	#14
Lee R Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 343	250's not bad at all for sub 65mph work but a 450 if it's only a small weight penalty would make the RX3 shine bright amongst a larger group of riders. With a 450 you should get excellent performance to 85mph or so which means lower RPM's and a comfortable cruise on the highway which would eliminate the only weakness the RX3 has. I'm positive a 450cc similar design wouldn't weigh much more than the current 250cc. The ADV world has been drooling for a 450cc bike for a long time now.
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04-24-2016, 05:22 PM	#15
Eco Mouse Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	The CB500X is already 471cc... proven design, world engine. A true 65 mpg, and 85 mph highway cruising speed. Plus, being a parallel twin, it will naturally be smoother than a larger displacement thumper.
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