China Bike Bashing - Page 2

letsride · 05-04-2023, 12:11 PM

Oh one more thing, then I'll shut up

He said he was gonna PDI the bike, test rides it, then his only complaint was a dragging caliper and the chain was too tight? Yet, ANOTHER reason I like getting bikes in a crate delivered to my house. Because surely there is some JACK WAGON like Yammie Noob working at the dealer who is supposedly the "trained expert" doing the PDI on my bike. When in reality, do people REALLY think dealers are putting their top accredited Tech's uncrating and assembling bikes all day? I'm willing to bet its some poor schmuck paid 10 bucks an hour.

**JerryHawk250** · 05-04-2023, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by letsride

Oh one more thing, then I'll shut up

He said he was gonna PDI the bike, test rides it, then his only complaint was a dragging caliper and the chain was too tight? Yet, ANOTHER reason I like getting bikes in a crate delivered to my house. Because surely there is some JACK WAGON like Yammie Noob working at the dealer who is supposedly the "trained expert" doing the PDI on my bike. When in reality, do people REALLY think dealers are putting their top accredited Tech's uncrating and assembling bikes all day? I'm willing to bet its some poor schmuck paid 10 bucks an hour.

Exactly. If he would of did a real PDI he would of checked everything he was complaining about before he rode the bike.

2LZ · 05-04-2023, 12:49 PM

I totally agree with Herbie regarding the chip on his shoulder in the review vid. Admittedly, I didn't watch the second video because after the first one, I'd seen enough and knew what his mindset was.

Again, if it's TRUE that Venom sent Yammie Noob a list of demands, in advance, for his review video, then shame on them. I'd be infuriated and have a bad attitude also. I'd like to hear from Venom on this here, as I've always read here about how good of a dealer they were. It seems them and CSC boil to the top, for sure.

Regarding Yammie Noob....I mean, come on. You don't even check the chain tension before heading out? Really? These bikes were tossed together and crated. Granted, we as China Riders fine tooth comb every bike we get. I've done the same to ALL bikes I've bought, especially new bikes. Lord knows I've found enough issues on new stuff from Japanese dealers. As I've stated in another thread, my Royal Enfield was the only bike I've ever bought that was perfectly setup and didn't need one adjustment, other than control preferences.

Bottom line is, if a new buyer doesn't know to check chain tension, real wheel alignment, or cable adjustments, you best not buy a China bike. If you want to ride something off the dealer lot, and your idea of maintenance is bringing it back in and complaining, then by all means, spend the thousands more.

Zapkin · 05-04-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

Yes, and if you read through the comments we weren't the only ones that expressed our opinion. lol

Yeh after seeing this post, I went back and realized maybe I was a bit mean in one of my comments. I have since corrected the situation (said in the voice of Grady from The Shining).

GypsyR · 05-04-2023, 02:10 PM

One fun thing to do if you meet a China basher in person is ask them about their phone. It has yet to fail me that they have an overpriced Iphone they paid a pile of money for. At which point you whip out: "Nice! I wonder where THAT was made?"

You can often pull the same about their big screen TV they are so proud of but not always. Dog Chinese stuff all they want, if we pulled it all off the market the shelves at Wal Mart would be about bare. Chinese stuff is a large part of our lives, always thought it was kind of funny to draw the line arbitrarily at motorcycles. I don't have time for such people.

Thumper · 05-04-2023, 02:39 PM

The Chinese car market has dedicated original domestically designed and produced cars.

But in addition, there are German-Chinese ventures and even US-China production agreements (Ford/Lincoln, in particular)
Here are some examples (We will NEVER see these cars imported to USA!

BMW X1 – marketed as the Brilliance 1E

VW Polo (Jetta on smaller VW Polo platform)
Jetta LWB (long wheel based) is a standard Jetta
VW is BIG in China

Audi A4 and A7, A8 sportback. These models have slightly different styling

MB A-class LWB (again with the long wheel based version).

Cherokee (Yup, a Jeep) discontinued, got a face lift and continued with Mitsubishi or MB engine

Ford Taurus/Mondeo
Ford Territory (Australian model, an SUV/CUV)

Lincoln Zephyr, built with a CHinese specific built Ford engine (Changan-Ford)

And of course there are the blatant copy cars (CG clones!?):
Land Wing (Evoque)
Dongfeng Hanma (Hummer) looks like the original with tire pressure legs!
Geely GE (Rolls Phantom)

Suzhou Eagle Carrie - Porsche 718 Cayman

Dadi Shuttle - Toyota Land Cruiser Prado

Victory S10 - Cadillac Escalade

Barnone · 05-04-2023, 05:05 PM

I have 4 Chinese motos and 1 Russian one and all are doing just fine. I have owned many Japanese motos and one American one and they did fine too.
When someone makes fun of my motos I ask them about their cell phone and their TV and just about everything they have bought recently. lol

XLsior · 05-04-2023, 07:09 PM

If Venom provided a bike for review with a list of conditions, then its no longer a review.

If you confident in a product then give the reviewer free reign...

Secondly don't give review samples to egotistical influencers with click bait material.

I can't say I'm surprised with the outcome.

If you are confident in a product then find a decent reviewer perhaps Yamies ex producer Spite's Corner would have been the smarter choice.

PastorCzo · 05-04-2023, 07:56 PM

The great thing is everything is made in China or at least has Chinese parts. Farmers in my area grow soy and it gets shipped to China for electronics. It is the way of the world. Honestly my first bike I seriously rode was a csc sg250, then I bought a kpm200 from venom. Both bikes taught me how to work on motorcycles, how to break motorcycles and how to fix them. I have an affinity for small displacement “China” bikes now.

herbie · 05-04-2023, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XLsior

If Venom provided a bike for review with a list of conditions, then its no longer a review.

If you confident in a product then give the reviewer free reign...

Secondly don't give review samples to egotistical influencers with click bait material.

I can't say I'm surprised with the outcome.

If you are confident in a product then find a decent reviewer perhaps Yamies ex producer Spite's Corner would have been the smarter choice.

The whole problem with yammie noobs statement about Venom and their requirements for the review is that it is only his word that the video is going on. He has no proof of his statements about Venom. He could be not telling the truth or just partial truths about the whole Venom scenario. One thing is for sure in what I got out of it and that is the whole review was intended to harm from the beginning. Listen to what he says about the bike before he even opens the box! And he hopes Venom loses a couple of hundred customers. His intent is pretty clear to me.

XLsior · 05-05-2023, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by herbie

The whole problem with yammie noobs statement about Venom and their requirements for the review is that it is only his word that the video is going on. He has no proof of his statements about Venom. He could be not telling the truth or just partial truths about the whole Venom scenario. One thing is for sure in what I got out of it and that is the whole review was intended to harm from the beginning. Listen to what he says about the bike before he even opens the box! And he hopes Venom loses a couple of hundred customers. His intent is pretty clear to me.

Yeah but Venom approached Yammie in the first place, Correct?

Unless Yammie approached Venom initially, which would transpire events in a completely alternative way.

From what I can tell Venom wanted exposure/clout without doing a background check.

When you offer pie to someone makes sure they aren't likely to throw it back into your face.

Boatguy · 05-05-2023, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IdahoRider

Yammie Noob: "No one should buy a chinese motorcycle"
Yammie Noob: "I bought a chinese motorcycle"

Its all about getting clicks on YouTube.

Of which of which, I've never given him one. Haha

I give my motorcycle clicks (and limited bandwidth) to Ryan on Fortnine.

I prefer good content

herbie · 05-05-2023, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLsior

Yeah but Venom approached Yammie in the first place, Correct?

Unless Yammie approached Venom initially, which would transpire events in a completely alternative way.

From what I can tell Venom wanted exposure/clout without doing a background check.

When you offer pie to someone makes sure they aren't likely to throw it back into your face.

Those are good points. I’m not sure who approached who, according to yammies story Venom approached him, but that’s just his words. Granted it would make sense that a growing company would want exposure to as many people as possible and yammies channel has a lot of exposure. That being said, it would be a terrible decision for Venom to choose him to review their bike, mainly because he’s used to fast motorcycles and would poo poo the China bikes for that alone. You have to ask yourself, why would he go to Venom and purchase a motorcycle that he knows is not going to meet his expectations? Is he trying to “help his viewers “ by showing how bad a product this bike is? It seemed from the beginning that he had an agenda and that was to hurt Venom and trash China bikes. There’s more questions than answers right now but I don’t care about yammie noobs channel, I do care about a company that offers us chinabike riders a good product at a decent price with good product support.

**JerryHawk250** · 05-05-2023, 08:18 AM

My guess would be Yammie approached Venom expecting to get a bike and paid sponsorship. I'm sure Venom gets tons of request from You Tubers for free bikes daily so there is no reason for them to approach Yammie. As far as a Contract, I'm sure Venoms legal department requires one as I'm willing to bet Venom has probably sent out bikes in the past and the You Tuber just took the bike and gave nothing back. It would be good to hear from someone with Venom on what really happened.

Wild Dog · 05-05-2023, 01:49 PM

New video.

This is the reason why it's a mistake to call 250 a 230.

He is doing it just to trash the brand, but if you call it 250 and it's 230. Then you compare it to an actual 250, it's going to lose everywhere.

Then if he got a max speed of 57 mph, then he got a bad engine or he was just not pushing it...

05-04-2023, 12:11 PM	#16
letsride Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Leesville SC Posts: 832	Oh one more thing, then I'll shut up He said he was gonna PDI the bike, test rides it, then his only complaint was a dragging caliper and the chain was too tight? Yet, ANOTHER reason I like getting bikes in a crate delivered to my house. Because surely there is some JACK WAGON like Yammie Noob working at the dealer who is supposedly the "trained expert" doing the PDI on my bike. When in reality, do people REALLY think dealers are putting their top accredited Tech's uncrating and assembling bikes all day? I'm willing to bet its some poor schmuck paid 10 bucks an hour. __________________ My Stable- 2022 Lifan KPX250 , 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan, 1992 Honda GL1500 Goldwing, SSR 70 Auto, Kymco Mongoose 90, Honda Four Trax 300
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05-04-2023, 12:49 PM	#18
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,063	I totally agree with Herbie regarding the chip on his shoulder in the review vid. Admittedly, I didn't watch the second video because after the first one, I'd seen enough and knew what his mindset was. Again, if it's TRUE that Venom sent Yammie Noob a list of demands, in advance, for his review video, then shame on them. I'd be infuriated and have a bad attitude also. I'd like to hear from Venom on this here, as I've always read here about how good of a dealer they were. It seems them and CSC boil to the top, for sure. Regarding Yammie Noob....I mean, come on. You don't even check the chain tension before heading out? Really? These bikes were tossed together and crated. Granted, we as China Riders fine tooth comb every bike we get. I've done the same to ALL bikes I've bought, especially new bikes. Lord knows I've found enough issues on new stuff from Japanese dealers. As I've stated in another thread, my Royal Enfield was the only bike I've ever bought that was perfectly setup and didn't need one adjustment, other than control preferences. Bottom line is, if a new buyer doesn't know to check chain tension, real wheel alignment, or cable adjustments, you best not buy a China bike. If you want to ride something off the dealer lot, and your idea of maintenance is bringing it back in and complaining, then by all means, spend the thousands more. __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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05-04-2023, 02:39 PM	#21
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,194	The Chinese car market has dedicated original domestically designed and produced cars. But in addition, there are German-Chinese ventures and even US-China production agreements (Ford/Lincoln, in particular) Here are some examples (We will NEVER see these cars imported to USA! BMW X1 – marketed as the Brilliance 1E VW Polo (Jetta on smaller VW Polo platform) Jetta LWB (long wheel based) is a standard Jetta VW is BIG in China Audi A4 and A7, A8 sportback. These models have slightly different styling MB A-class LWB (again with the long wheel based version). Cherokee (Yup, a Jeep) discontinued, got a face lift and continued with Mitsubishi or MB engine Ford Taurus/Mondeo Ford Territory (Australian model, an SUV/CUV) Lincoln Zephyr, built with a CHinese specific built Ford engine (Changan-Ford) And of course there are the blatant copy cars (CG clones!?): Land Wing (Evoque) Dongfeng Hanma (Hummer) looks like the original with tire pressure legs! Geely GE (Rolls Phantom) Suzhou Eagle Carrie - Porsche 718 Cayman Dadi Shuttle - Toyota Land Cruiser Prado Victory S10 - Cadillac Escalade __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it
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05-05-2023, 08:18 AM	#29
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,533	My guess would be Yammie approached Venom expecting to get a bike and paid sponsorship. I'm sure Venom gets tons of request from You Tubers for free bikes daily so there is no reason for them to approach Yammie. As far as a Contract, I'm sure Venoms legal department requires one as I'm willing to bet Venom has probably sent out bikes in the past and the You Tuber just took the bike and gave nothing back. It would be good to hear from someone with Venom on what really happened. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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05-04-2023, 02:10 PM	#20
GypsyR Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 263	One fun thing to do if you meet a China basher in person is ask them about their phone. It has yet to fail me that they have an overpriced Iphone they paid a pile of money for. At which point you whip out: "Nice! I wonder where THAT was made?" You can often pull the same about their big screen TV they are so proud of but not always. Dog Chinese stuff all they want, if we pulled it all off the market the shelves at Wal Mart would be about bare. Chinese stuff is a large part of our lives, always thought it was kind of funny to draw the line arbitrarily at motorcycles. I don't have time for such people.
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05-04-2023, 05:05 PM	#22
Barnone Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,348	I have 4 Chinese motos and 1 Russian one and all are doing just fine. I have owned many Japanese motos and one American one and they did fine too. When someone makes fun of my motos I ask them about their cell phone and their TV and just about everything they have bought recently. lol
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05-04-2023, 07:09 PM	#23
XLsior Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 1,256	If Venom provided a bike for review with a list of conditions, then its no longer a review. If you confident in a product then give the reviewer free reign... Secondly don't give review samples to egotistical influencers with click bait material. I can't say I'm surprised with the outcome. If you are confident in a product then find a decent reviewer perhaps Yamies ex producer Spite's Corner would have been the smarter choice.
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05-04-2023, 07:56 PM	#24
PastorCzo Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Ohio Posts: 83	The great thing is everything is made in China or at least has Chinese parts. Farmers in my area grow soy and it gets shipped to China for electronics. It is the way of the world. Honestly my first bike I seriously rode was a csc sg250, then I bought a kpm200 from venom. Both bikes taught me how to work on motorcycles, how to break motorcycles and how to fix them. I have an affinity for small displacement “China” bikes now.
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05-05-2023, 01:49 PM	#30
Wild Dog Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Argentina Posts: 756	New video. This is the reason why it's a mistake to call 250 a 230. He is doing it just to trash the brand, but if you call it 250 and it's 230. Then you compare it to an actual 250, it's going to lose everywhere. Then if he got a max speed of 57 mph, then he got a bad engine or he was just not pushing it...
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