2022 Templar X 250 build quality and assembly

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Intel16330

Does the MCO say motorcycle on the Xpro Templar X250 or does it say atv. In KY it can't be registered if it says atv or anything related to off road as of 2022 and I'm mainly wanting to order for a commuter bike.

you should be okay as long as they don't require an inspection before registration. The NHTSA tag will state off-road on it.

[Texas Pete]

Just putting it out there. Texas requires an inspection on all new vehicles before registration as well as annually on all renewals. No problems in Texas with Templar X 250.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Texas Pete

Just putting it out there. Texas requires an inspection on all new vehicles before registration as well as annually on all renewals. No problems in Texas with Templar X 250.

This is really amazing since the VIN plate clearly states "Vehicle type: Off Highway" !!

If you sell one of these to someone in another state, they will probably need ID/OD. Maybe you can get that without the inspector noting the off highway thing. Here, the ID/OD can be done at any inspection station (hundreds in the greater Kansas City area).

[Texas Pete]

Originally Posted by Thumper

This is really amazing since the VIN plate clearly states "Vehicle type: Off Highway" !!

It’s actually not if you stop and think about it. That’s an EPA plate. It passed emissions standards for off highway use for the EPA to be allowed to be imported into the country. The federal agencies can rule on the right to import from outside the country border but once it is inside the country’s border you get to the actual road worthy / registration and plating requirements that’s now a state’s regulatory domain.

Texas like other states has its own rules and requirements for on road and off road use. That’s how you see people converting off road dirt bikes to get registered and plated for on street use. If you add everything the states regulators for the states DMV requires to be registered as a road vehicle then you have passed all of that state’s requirements. Under the federated model these agencies don’t have jurisdiction outside of their mission when originally created.

Everything listed as required to be on the vehicle for it to be allowed to be registered and plated for Texas is already attached to the Templar X 250 out of the box. And the vehicle went through the states inspection requirement and the inspectors signed off on the vehicle having all the required on street gear attached and that the on street gear was tested and was found to be functioning properly at the time of testing. The annual inspection requirement for vehicles mostly catches vehicles with burned out signal bulbs etc, where the owner must make it work before it is recorded as passing in the states DMV computer registration system. By the time you actually apply in person at a state government agency or online all this is already recorded and logged for your vehicle. It’s also why you do it at the local county tax assessors office here rather than a DMV office as it’s passed all the requirements, now pay the state tax collector his due.

The NHTSA is charged with writing and enforcing Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards as well as regulations for motor vehicle theft resistance and fuel economy. Safety standards affect the manufacturing process. The EPA mission states it is responsible for creating standards and laws promoting the health of individuals and the environment.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Discoveror

Thanks - for taking the time to summarize that; it's really useful (cycle market) confirmation of what I've been suspecting, as a newcomer (at 71!), simply looking to explore ...

Just learning, I've been dismayed at the INflexibility of cycles and, especially, cycle tires; SO surface-specific ... hardly conducive to exploring.

The line between dual-sport vs. light Adventure bikes poses the decisions you mentioned in your last two sentences. Though unpaved backroad exploring might be the goal, reality is that some two-lane pavement is, often, a prerequisite.

There isn't really any light adventure sports bikes. They all weigh close to 400 lbs. This is NOT a good trail weight.

[Thumper]

There are a few "light" adventure tour bikes, but they are kind of on the heavy side, and they are expensive. Most of them are pavement oriented:

-BMW G 310 GS 386 lbs (full tank), $6000, road oriented tires, barely dual sport (definitely pavement oriented tires)

-2022 Honda CRF300L Rally 330 lbs (curb weight) $6200, dual sport tires (knobby-ish)

-Kawasaki Versys-X 300 386 lbs (dry weight), $5900 ($6200 with ABS) dual sport tires (pavement oriented)

-KTM 390 Adventure 387 lbs (wet weight), dual sport tires $6800 dual sport tires

-CSC RX4 Adventure 450 lbs (wet weight), $5000 dual sport tires

Contrasting lighter 250cc bikes that weigh 100lbs less, smaller engines, less comfortable on the road These bikes weigh about 280 lbs and make ~20hp:

Lifan KPX 250 $3200 dual sport (pavement oriented, EFI aspirated)

Zuumav Templar X $1900, DOT rated knobbies with a strong rack with mounting positions for side racks (off-road capable as is, carbureted). This thread is supposed to be about the Templar X build quality and assembly. Lots of info on the first couple of pages of in this thread.

The reality is that only the KTM advertises their bike as off-road capable (well, Honda too). Pictures include real off-road situations, not just "dirt roads"!! But some people don't want to go on the trails, so these bikes are fine for forest service roads, and such. The exceptions are those that have the wrong tires!

The KTM is the most powerful of the bunch without added weight penalty. The others always show them getting ridden in mountain twisty roads or along highway 101 (with the ocean in the horizon!). Adventure touring CAN include off road riding, but not for an older rider like me !! You must be nimble and strong, and able to lift that 400lbs back up if/WHEN you go down on the trail. The Honda is lighter than most, and a true contender for tractable off-road use.

The Lifan KPX and Templar X are more in the "dual sports" category. KPX is shod with mild pavement oriented dual sports tires and has pretty tall seat height, while Templar is more of an enduro frame/suspension, and the tallest of the bunch at 36" seat height. But it is also the easiest to ride off road, while still having lighting to get registered for the road (but technically not a road bike). Templar may not be registered in all States, though most of us have had no issues.

[Discoveror]

EXCELLENT, thorough summary, Thumper.

Have you rolled your Templar X over the bathroom scale? ... adding the measurements under each wheel?

[Thumper]

Still don't have a scale. I will try to take it to a loading dock with a scale when it warms up a bit.

[Old-dude]

Anyone know where to get a service manual for the X7-CB250F?

[Wasted_Potential]

Originally Posted by Thumper

In no apparent order...

Instead of an equalizer tube between the two lobes of the gas tank, and one fuel line input to the petcock, each lobe of the tank feeds the petcock separately, and there are 3 positions on the petcock valve. One of them is a "dot", and the other two seem identical (capital R). I haven't run out and switched, so I don't know if this is effectively a reserve.
EDIT: update... yes, gas in the other lobe can act as a reserve. Just switch from "R" to "R", and keep riding.


More in the next post!

I don't know if this has already been pointed out, but the "R"s are upside down. They are supposed to be a full glass and a nearly empty glass.

[Thumper]

Regarding the petcock positions. Dot is closed, and either R position can be used as "run". When/if you start to run out of gas, switch to the other "R"for reserve. You will get another 10 miles, at least. You are using the gas left in the other tank lobe as reserve.

It works!

[JJP]

I have a question maybe somebody can help.

We have a 2023 Templer X pro 250 Enduro and the bike did not come with any wiring diagrams or schematics.

I’m having a problem with the rear brake light.

It will not come on when you apply the brakes but I do have a running light, and when I do switch the leads. The brown and the green in the yellow the brake light will work, but I have no running light.

Has anybody had this issue???

Help please!!!

[Mikd]

Originally Posted by JJP

I have a question maybe somebody can help.

We have a 2023 Templer X pro 250 Enduro and the bike did not come with any wiring diagrams or schematics.

I’m having a problem with the rear brake light.

It will not come on when you apply the brakes but I do have a running light, and when I do switch the leads. The brown and the green in the yellow the brake light will work, but I have no running light.

Has anybody had this issue???

Help please!!!

You will find several mentions of the same issue here and a few vids on YouTube. The solder joint has popped loose inside the tailight. You can either open the tailight and repair it or replace it. If you replace it be sure to silicone where the wires go into the light to absorb the vibration and prevent it happening again.