Must have for all owners (Diagnostic capability)

Chris_Top_Her · 09-04-2021, 10:01 PM

I keep having to recommend this in various places, so I will put everything here.

If you own a Chinese motorcycle with a delphi ECU, it is in your best interest to have the agility to at least pull codes, and monitor parameters when trying to trouble shoot problems. Really, it's helpful for any vehicle as a diagnostics fee might cost you 100USD. Links are just what I have, these parts can also be found on ebay etc.

The connector is for the Delphi 6 pin connector ECU (to interface a Delphi mt05.x ECU).

You will need the 6 pin cable to interface into the ECU, which has a female OBD2 connector on the other side. ~10USD

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005...27424c4dr1OPeG

You will need an openport adapter. Genuine Tactrix or Chinese knockoff.
Genuine ~170USD new
Knock off ~30USD
- Ask around for knock off. I don't know of a good source, because I have a genuine (used it for tuning my car) but they cost about $30.

https://www.tactrix.com/index.php?op...ed=1&Itemid=53

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And last but not least, you will need ECU HUD Hacker which you can load onto a windows laptop (which can be had cheap on ebay if you don't have one). It is "sharityware", which means it's free to download but the author requests you donate to a GMO or something (this is a honor system, it requires no verification or anything). It is easy to use and can pull codes, clear codes (some codes, others require unplugging the ecu to clear). Also, you can use this to ECU tune as well.

https://netcult.ch/elmue/HUD%20ECU%20Hacker/

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Boatguy · 09-05-2021, 07:07 AM

Thanks for this. I’ve been meaning to get around to getting one of three things for my evinrude etec outboards.

Any idea if it’s the same? I see you use it on your car.

Chris_Top_Her · 09-05-2021, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Boatguy

Thanks for this. I’ve been meaning to get around to getting one of three things for my evinrude etec outboards.

Any idea if it’s the same? I see you use it on your car.

The openport is for any OBD2 connector vehicle. If your outboards have an obd2 port yes, if not I don't know. You would need to igure out what typeof ecu they use and find an appropriate interface. In the motorcycle case you have to use an adapter to interface the openport.

Bob Kelly · 02-21-2022, 12:13 AM

Boy finding that connector on Alieexpress.com is a tough one, i could not find it
it just dumps you into shopping
do you know of any other source for the connector cable ?
I have the wireless OBD2 thing but haven't tried to hook it up yet... seems like your saying I need an adapter to do that ???? that would figure !
this fuel injection stuff is all new to me I'm used to carbs ! HAHAHA !
......
Bob......

Bob Kelly · 05-29-2022, 03:49 AM

I have tried several times to find a way to make the link work for the recommended plug
however I cannot find that plug on the ali-whatchallit site it just keeps dumping me to their home page and advertisements
does anyone know where I can get that plug ? I have a Wifi OBD2 unit and a few down loaded things/programs but how in the world am I supposed to make this work ?
more help would be greatly appreciated !
Bob....

JFOlivier · 05-29-2022, 09:42 AM

In the ECU hacker information they list a VAG KKL interface to to a HSB plug which I purchased from Amazon for about $17 and also the female 16 pin plug to fit the VAG with just open wires on the other end. You have to fit the plug that connects to the bikes diagnostic plug and the plug information is given for the Delphi ECU in ECU Hacker, The Lifan plug is different so I fitted a 4 way plug to the cable and to the wires of the Lifan diagnostic cables, I have tested this and it works fine on ECU hacker although I have gone no further with it yet.

pyoungbl · 05-29-2022, 09:58 AM

A couple years ago we had an inmate who lived in China and was able to source stuff there for the RX3...and now probably the RX4. He sold me a diagnostic tool, basically an OBD reader, that was designed to work directly with the RX ECU. I have not seen any posts from Tako in a few years...went by NZLathe...but if he can snag more of those tools it would be a good investment. The one I got is dead simple and provides information for each of the sensors. No, you cannot program the ECU with this tool, strictly diagnostic.

Bob Kelly · 05-29-2022, 07:42 PM

Humm.... thanks for the help anyway guys !
Bob.....

Bob Kelly · 07-07-2022, 08:54 PM

ok.... I ordered this today......

6 Pin OBD to OBD2 For Delphi Motorcycle Diagnostic Scanners Tool Adapter Cable

$12.13Unit price $12.13

Item number:133803275122
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found it on ebay....says it will be a month to get here ! AURGH !
it says it is for motorcycles with the delfi ignition so I am guessing this should work
....
I have a wireless OBD2 reader already and a few pieces of software....but I'll have to install them on my kids laptop so it's portable to get to the bike in the back yard.
....
any idea what parameters I need to change to make the bike run a tad richer than stock ????

Bob......

Bob Kelly · 07-07-2022, 09:02 PM

Another question for ya ....Any idea what happens to this bike when you take the battery out ? On my Honda Car (CRV) the radio quits working ! because of the anti-theft BS. they put in the radio ...and the Honda dealer can't fix it without taking the radio out ! so I have no radio just because I took out the battery !
....
....will the bike revert back to it's initial settings and have to go through the "learning the environment " again ? I expect so.... but I don't know for sure....
Bob.....

pyoungbl · 07-08-2022, 10:44 AM

Bob, I'm pretty sure the OBD unit cannot change any ECU settings. Mine just reports what signals come into the ECU so you can find a bad sensor or loose connection.

Bob Kelly · 07-09-2022, 10:31 PM

Thank you Sir !
...
So what am I misunderstanding here ? an OBD2 READER will tell you what the CPU is doing or what error code is present
Some OBD2 readers can read or send to the ECU and I believe I got one that could do both their just a few bucks more than the ones that can't send...at least I thought that is all it took......
....getting information about this stuff is like trying to open a clam with your fingers !
and if you don't know where to look for that information ...like ME .... your S.O.L.
....
OBVIOUSLY i have no idea what I am doing here....how to check the ECU or anything about it....BUT I want to learn ! can someone please point me to a place where I can learn more about it ?
...
Bob.......

Magician16 · 07-10-2022, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kelly

Another question for ya ....Any idea what happens to this bike when you take the battery out ? On my Honda Car (CRV) the radio quits working ! because of the anti-theft BS. they put in the radio ...and the Honda dealer can't fix it without taking the radio out ! so I have no radio just because I took out the battery !
....
....will the bike revert back to it's initial settings and have to go through the "learning the environment " again ? I expect so.... but I don't know for sure....
Bob.....

If you bought the Honda new, you should have been given a code to get it to work again. My wife's is written in her manual.

pyoungbl · 07-10-2022, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kelly

Another question for ya ....Any idea what happens to this bike when you take the battery out ?
....will the bike revert back to it's initial settings and have to go through the "learning the environment " again ? I expect so.... but I don't know for sure....
Bob.....

I have disconnected the battery a few times and never noticed any change to how the bike ran. Yes, had to reset the clock..nothing else.

09-04-2021, 10:01 PM	#1
Chris_Top_Her Join Date: May 2020 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 62	Must have for all owners (Diagnostic capability) I keep having to recommend this in various places, so I will put everything here. If you own a Chinese motorcycle with a delphi ECU, it is in your best interest to have the agility to at least pull codes, and monitor parameters when trying to trouble shoot problems. Really, it's helpful for any vehicle as a diagnostics fee might cost you 100USD. Links are just what I have, these parts can also be found on ebay etc. The connector is for the Delphi 6 pin connector ECU (to interface a Delphi mt05.x ECU). You will need the 6 pin cable to interface into the ECU, which has a female OBD2 connector on the other side. ~10USD https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005...27424c4dr1OPeG You will need an openport adapter. Genuine Tactrix or Chinese knockoff. Genuine ~170USD new Knock off ~30USD - Ask around for knock off. I don't know of a good source, because I have a genuine (used it for tuning my car) but they cost about $30. https://www.tactrix.com/index.php?op...ed=1&Itemid=53 And last but not least, you will need ECU HUD Hacker which you can load onto a windows laptop (which can be had cheap on ebay if you don't have one). It is "sharityware", which means it's free to download but the author requests you donate to a GMO or something (this is a honor system, it requires no verification or anything). It is easy to use and can pull codes, clear codes (some codes, others require unplugging the ecu to clear). Also, you can use this to ECU tune as well. https://netcult.ch/elmue/HUD%20ECU%20Hacker/ __________________ CSC RX4 2020 Last edited by Chris_Top_Her; 09-05-2021 at 02:38 PM.
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Chris_Top_Her Join Date: May 2020 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 62	Save __________________ CSC RX4 2020
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Boatguy Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Northeast Posts: 929	Thanks for this. I’ve been meaning to get around to getting one of three things for my evinrude etec outboards. Any idea if it’s the same? I see you use it on your car. __________________ 2020 Lifan x-pect
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02-21-2022, 12:13 AM	#5
Bob Kelly Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Weed, California. Posts: 271	Boy finding that connector on Alieexpress.com is a tough one, i could not find it it just dumps you into shopping do you know of any other source for the connector cable ? I have the wireless OBD2 thing but haven't tried to hook it up yet... seems like your saying I need an adapter to do that ???? that would figure ! this fuel injection stuff is all new to me I'm used to carbs ! HAHAHA ! ...... Bob...... __________________ It's too late when you've gone too far !
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05-29-2022, 03:49 AM	#6
Bob Kelly Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Weed, California. Posts: 271	I have tried several times to find a way to make the link work for the recommended plug however I cannot find that plug on the ali-whatchallit site it just keeps dumping me to their home page and advertisements does anyone know where I can get that plug ? I have a Wifi OBD2 unit and a few down loaded things/programs but how in the world am I supposed to make this work ? more help would be greatly appreciated ! Bob.... __________________ It's too late when you've gone too far !
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05-29-2022, 09:42 AM	#7
JFOlivier Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Neck of Virginia. Posts: 163	In the ECU hacker information they list a VAG KKL interface to to a HSB plug which I purchased from Amazon for about $17 and also the female 16 pin plug to fit the VAG with just open wires on the other end. You have to fit the plug that connects to the bikes diagnostic plug and the plug information is given for the Delphi ECU in ECU Hacker, The Lifan plug is different so I fitted a 4 way plug to the cable and to the wires of the Lifan diagnostic cables, I have tested this and it works fine on ECU hacker although I have gone no further with it yet.
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05-29-2022, 09:58 AM	#8
pyoungbl Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Portsmouth, Virginia, USA Posts: 632	A couple years ago we had an inmate who lived in China and was able to source stuff there for the RX3...and now probably the RX4. He sold me a diagnostic tool, basically an OBD reader, that was designed to work directly with the RX ECU. I have not seen any posts from Tako in a few years...went by NZLathe...but if he can snag more of those tools it would be a good investment. The one I got is dead simple and provides information for each of the sensors. No, you cannot program the ECU with this tool, strictly diagnostic.
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05-29-2022, 07:42 PM	#9
Bob Kelly Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Weed, California. Posts: 271	Humm.... thanks for the help anyway guys ! Bob..... __________________ It's too late when you've gone too far !
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07-07-2022, 08:54 PM	#10
Bob Kelly Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Weed, California. Posts: 271	ok.... I ordered this today...... 6 Pin OBD to OBD2 For Delphi Motorcycle Diagnostic Scanners Tool Adapter Cable $12.13Unit price $12.13 Item number:133803275122 ..... found it on ebay....says it will be a month to get here ! AURGH ! it says it is for motorcycles with the delfi ignition so I am guessing this should work .... I have a wireless OBD2 reader already and a few pieces of software....but I'll have to install them on my kids laptop so it's portable to get to the bike in the back yard. .... any idea what parameters I need to change to make the bike run a tad richer than stock ???? Bob...... __________________ It's too late when you've gone too far !
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07-07-2022, 09:02 PM	#11
Bob Kelly Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Weed, California. Posts: 271	Another question for ya ....Any idea what happens to this bike when you take the battery out ? On my Honda Car (CRV) the radio quits working ! because of the anti-theft BS. they put in the radio ...and the Honda dealer can't fix it without taking the radio out ! so I have no radio just because I took out the battery ! .... ....will the bike revert back to it's initial settings and have to go through the "learning the environment " again ? I expect so.... but I don't know for sure.... Bob..... __________________ It's too late when you've gone too far !
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07-08-2022, 10:44 AM	#12
pyoungbl Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Portsmouth, Virginia, USA Posts: 632	Bob, I'm pretty sure the OBD unit cannot change any ECU settings. Mine just reports what signals come into the ECU so you can find a bad sensor or loose connection.
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07-09-2022, 10:31 PM	#13
Bob Kelly Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Weed, California. Posts: 271	Thank you Sir ! ... So what am I misunderstanding here ? an OBD2 READER will tell you what the CPU is doing or what error code is present Some OBD2 readers can read or send to the ECU and I believe I got one that could do both their just a few bucks more than the ones that can't send...at least I thought that is all it took...... ....getting information about this stuff is like trying to open a clam with your fingers ! and if you don't know where to look for that information ...like ME .... your S.O.L. .... OBVIOUSLY i have no idea what I am doing here....how to check the ECU or anything about it....BUT I want to learn ! can someone please point me to a place where I can learn more about it ? ... Bob....... __________________ It's too late when you've gone too far !
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