Zh165 or zs177?? Help!!

[Dan-the-man]

Hey guys! First time posting but have read a lot.
Have a little confusions on what engine I have.
Beleive the bike to be a Asiawing.
It’s the same as a ssr300 but has Kawasaki plastics etc on it.
I believe it to be 250cc and definitely goes like one. Water cooled.
4 valve.
6 SPEED
Have seen zs177mm engines and what the call the nc250 online and they look the same.
But by cases have zh165fmm stamped on them.
Any ideas?
Wanting to order parts but not sure if it is actually a 177
Thanks in advance dor your help!

[Thumper]

Need pics to identify the engine and bike. An image of the engine stamp would be useful. EFI? Carb?

Need more information and pictures!!!

[TominMO]

Probably a case of different engines for different markets or different manufacturers. Why would you not trust what is stamped on the motor?

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by TominMO

Probably a case of different engines for different markets or different manufacturers. Why would you not trust what is stamped on the motor?

Because what’s stamped on the motor is not a 250cc water cooled engine.

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Need pics to identify the engine and bike. An image of the engine stamp would be useful. EFI? Carb?

Need more information and pictures!!!

It’s carb, the engine looks exactly like what you see if you google a nc250.
And the bike is pretty much a Copy of a 2008 crf450 frame

Having trouble uploading pics

[TominMO]

I did a search on zh165fmm, and it comes up (in Chinese) as a ZH250GY-4 with 226cc. This appears to be air-cooled. I'm guessing you have already done all this

What does your title or registration paperwork say the brand and model is?

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by TominMO

I did a search on zh165fmm, and it comes up (in Chinese) as a ZH250GY-4 with 226cc. This appears to be air-cooled. I'm guessing you have already done all this

What does your title or registration paperwork say the brand and model is?

Yep sure have. I’ve been to the depths of google hunting for info.

No title or registration here in New Zealand as it’s not a road going vehicle.

I will post a picture of the vin tag on it.

[Dan-the-man]

Here are some pictures

[Dan-the-man]

Originally came with regulmoto or something like that graphics

[Dan-the-man]

Also under the valve covers it has nc250 in the cast.
Originally had “KHAN” in red on the clutch and magneto covers.

[TominMO]

Did you buy it from a dealer or private party? Because a dealer would at least know what he was selling.

So the 165 means it is a one-cylinder with a 65mm bore, as you probably know. And it does say 249cc.

A search on WRX250NC brings up a lot of returns in Russian, and IDs it as a Motoland. Images show the same giant red rear sprocket and the same unusual style front sprocket cover. Same red-tipped folding shifter and same frame shape.

[Dan-the-man]

I wouldn’t exactly call him a dealer, he imported a few but won’t give me any details as to where from. I did only pay $400NZD for it and was brand new in its crate.

Thanks for your help! I guess I’m just going to have to open it up and see what I’ve got inside.

[TominMO]

$400NZD equates to $227USD. The guy is super-shady, and you have a stolen bike. Pretty obvious given the too-good-to-be-true price. Probably about 10% of what a dealer would pay. So unless you have an IQ of about 45, you are pretty shady yourself. Bye.

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by TominMO

$400NZD equates to $227USD. The guy is super-shady, and you have a stolen bike. Pretty obvious given the too-good-to-be-true price. Probably about 10% of what a dealer would pay. So unless you have an IQ of about 45, you are pretty shady yourself. Bye.

No definitely not stolen. I can assure you of that.
Have seen all the import papaerwork and invoices paid by him for the bikes.

I actually spoke to him today and apparently these were put together for him, hence why the have Kawasaki plastics ect

[TominMO]

According to your VIN tag, the bike is a 2020 model. So has he had these specially-put-together-for-him bikes for two to three years?

Did you notice the line on the VIN tag above the WRX250 line, which has been blacked out? Look how rough the last part is, above the 2020. What does that tell you?

First you say he won't tell you where he got them, but now he is showing you the import paperwork and invoices. Which is it? Why would some company bother to make up a few special bikes for this tiny one-man operation? Why would he bother to do this at all, for a couple of hundred dollars profit? And doesn't the import paperwork/invoices ID the make and model?

Why is he selling a LC 250 for about the cost of a set of plastics, when he should be able to get ten times as much or more, if he is legitimate? None of this makes any sense at all, which is why I call BS. Either he conned you or you are conning us. Or conning yourself because you want to think this is all legal.