Who makes my motor?

liverchip · 02-13-2007, 09:48 PM

Ok guys,

Is there any way to tell who actually built the motor for my TSM(Shineray). It's identical to the Lifans, but does Zongshen make motors for Shineray, or am I way out in left field?

culcune · 02-13-2007, 11:01 PM

I was very confused with my Jetmoto/Alpine. I thought that since the engine was named a 163 FML-2, it was made by Lifan; however, according to their parts guy, Dmitri, the engines are Zongshen sourced, and proven by the engine number engraved as a ZS ######.

Shineray seems to be the factory that either builds Jetmoto (and Roketa for that matter) as an OEM, or allows these OEMs to utilize excess manufacturing space, or Shineray is actually manufactured by Zongshen as an OEM, I would lean towards the Zongshen answer. Look around the engine and see if it was engraved (I think by hand) and it is probably labled as a ZS #### somwhere visible.

liverchip · 02-13-2007, 11:56 PM

Engine number is 169-FML Is it Lifan perhaps?

liverchip · 02-14-2007, 12:06 AM

There is no ZS before the number....just 169-FML.

czowner · 02-14-2007, 03:48 AM

From what Ive noticed, Lifan, or Lifan motors with somebodies elses name on, all have a oval chrome plate in the middle of the generator cover. This works for the 250 (223cc) bikes as well.

Jonathan.

allfunmotorsport · 04-17-2007, 01:34 PM

http://www.lifan.cn/en/75157125906563072/index.asp
hope this is helpfull to anyone?

culcune · 04-17-2007, 03:04 PM

The only problem is that the 163 FML engine seems to be made by both Lifan and Zongshen, and possibly by a few other manufacturers.

liverchip · 04-17-2007, 09:56 PM

The good thing is the parts should be interchangable.

puddlehopper · 07-30-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czowner

From what Ive noticed, Lifan, or Lifan motors with somebodies elses name on, all have a oval chrome plate in the middle of the generator cover. This works for the 250 (223cc) bikes as well.

Jonathan.

interesting

i have a gy 125 or 150 (im not sure ) which has a chrome plate on the engine that says TEC registration doc calls it a TEC 125 but i cant find any info on tec apart from they make motors for lawnmowers and outboard motors for speedboats among other stuff the nearest i can find that looks like my bike is a hongdou gy150 it was registered in 2004 anyone any idea of who tec motors are

Ace12GA · 07-30-2007, 10:06 AM

I have a 250 thats a ~240cc with Zongshen on a nice chrome oval over the stator.

puddlehopper · 07-30-2007, 10:21 AM

it looks like whoever builds up the engine puts their own badge on it , i had a mate who used to sell computers he bought them job lot from a company took thier labels off and put his own on then sold them for a profit decent after care too the original company used to prioritise his computers if they needed any work because he was such a good customer lol

he used to just tell people if there was a problem he' d pick it up then deliver it back when it was sorted. maybe thats how it works in china

czowner · 07-31-2007, 03:59 AM

Puddlehopper, would you be from the North East (of England)? There's a guy in Gateshead been selling Chinese bikes for ages, he has them re-badged TEC. They're Lifans.

Jonathan.

puddlehopper · 07-31-2007, 06:28 AM

ahh nearly, im from the north west of england Jonathan up in the manchester area but i daresay the bike may have travelled as i havent got the ful logbook back yet.. so i have a lifan under a different name then by the looks of it are they any good , it seems ok but i havent done a lot of mileage on it yet

mrhyak · 07-31-2007, 10:41 AM

My engine has LC163FMLDD198146, the brand name is Tank and I think I read somewhere the manufacturer of the engine is Zongshen, but I don't know that for sure.

02-13-2007, 09:48 PM	#1
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	Who makes my motor? Ok guys, Is there any way to tell who actually built the motor for my TSM(Shineray). It's identical to the Lifans, but does Zongshen make motors for Shineray, or am I way out in left field? __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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02-13-2007, 11:01 PM	#2
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	I was very confused with my Jetmoto/Alpine. I thought that since the engine was named a 163 FML-2, it was made by Lifan; however, according to their parts guy, Dmitri, the engines are Zongshen sourced, and proven by the engine number engraved as a ZS ######. Shineray seems to be the factory that either builds Jetmoto (and Roketa for that matter) as an OEM, or allows these OEMs to utilize excess manufacturing space, or Shineray is actually manufactured by Zongshen as an OEM, I would lean towards the Zongshen answer. Look around the engine and see if it was engraved (I think by hand) and it is probably labled as a ZS #### somwhere visible. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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02-13-2007, 11:56 PM	#3
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	Engine number is 169-FML Is it Lifan perhaps? __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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02-14-2007, 12:06 AM	#4
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	There is no ZS before the number....just 169-FML. __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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04-17-2007, 01:34 PM	#6
allfunmotorsport Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 159	engines made by lifan http://www.lifan.cn/en/75157125906563072/index.asp hope this is helpfull to anyone?
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02-14-2007, 03:48 AM	#5
czowner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North East England Posts: 313	From what Ive noticed, Lifan, or Lifan motors with somebodies elses name on, all have a oval chrome plate in the middle of the generator cover. This works for the 250 (223cc) bikes as well. Jonathan.
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04-17-2007, 03:04 PM	#7
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	The only problem is that the 163 FML engine seems to be made by both Lifan and Zongshen, and possibly by a few other manufacturers. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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04-17-2007, 09:56 PM	#8
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	The good thing is the parts should be interchangable. __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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07-30-2007, 10:06 AM	#10
Ace12GA Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Peterborough, ON, CA Posts: 16	I have a 250 thats a ~240cc with Zongshen on a nice chrome oval over the stator.
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07-30-2007, 10:21 AM	#11
puddlehopper Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9	it looks like whoever builds up the engine puts their own badge on it , i had a mate who used to sell computers he bought them job lot from a company took thier labels off and put his own on then sold them for a profit decent after care too the original company used to prioritise his computers if they needed any work because he was such a good customer lol he used to just tell people if there was a problem he' d pick it up then deliver it back when it was sorted. maybe thats how it works in china
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07-31-2007, 03:59 AM	#12
czowner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North East England Posts: 313	Puddlehopper, would you be from the North East (of England)? There's a guy in Gateshead been selling Chinese bikes for ages, he has them re-badged TEC. They're Lifans. Jonathan.
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07-31-2007, 06:28 AM	#13
puddlehopper Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9	ahh nearly, im from the north west of england Jonathan up in the manchester area but i daresay the bike may have travelled as i havent got the ful logbook back yet.. so i have a lifan under a different name then by the looks of it are they any good , it seems ok but i havent done a lot of mileage on it yet
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07-31-2007, 10:41 AM	#14
mrhyak Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hyak, WA Posts: 448	My engine has LC163FMLDD198146, the brand name is Tank and I think I read somewhere the manufacturer of the engine is Zongshen, but I don't know that for sure. __________________ 1985 Kawasaki Tecate-3 1997 Ural Sportsman 2WD 1980 Yamaha XS1100 2005 TANK Trail 200 2009 Lifan LY110GY-3 (2)
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