When a 20 minute job takes you all day - Page 7

Weldangrind · 03-22-2011, 12:13 AM

I'd be checking the pilot jet in the carb. I bet it's full of shellac.

SpudRider · 03-22-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by daddy469

OKIES, got it all put together, new oil, new filter, topped off the tank and went to start it.... :( No Joy! Methinks I forgot to put fuel stabilizer in it when it was just sitting there for months. And me without any ether...

daddy 8)

You might try disconnecting the fuel line from the carburetor, and draining the old fuel from the tank. Then try starting the bike after filling the tank with fresh fuel.

If you didn't drain the carburetor float bowl before you left, try draining it now; perhaps you will get lucky, and not need to clean your carburetor.

Spud

daddy469 · 03-22-2011, 12:34 AM

Thanks for the suggestions fellas. I held the throttle wide open and never smelt gas. I also found a mystery knob on the side by the emission controls.My battery is dead :roll: . I'm kinda tired of taking it apart, I just wanna ride it

. Although, it is/was raining pretty hard this evening. When I went out to the garage after getting home I found a single drop of oil on the ground. Looks like a remant off the skid plate from something. Better be or I'm burning something. The spiders tell me to do things....
Here is a picture of the mystery knob. It is not the choke. The choke is on the carb and says choke on it

. I didn't have a ton of motivation to follow it, but it does look like it has something to do with the carb cuz there is a cable headed that direction and I can't for the life of me figure out what else it would go to.

daddy 8)

SpudRider · 03-22-2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by daddy469

...I'm kinda tired of taking it apart, I just wanna ride it

...

Amen!

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Originally Posted by daddy469

...Here is a picture of the mystery knob. It is not the choke. The choke is on the carb and says choke on it

. I didn't have a ton of motivation to follow it, but it does look like it has something to do with the carb cuz there is a cable headed that direction and I can't for the life of me figure out what else it would go to...

Perhaps the "mystery knob" is the idle speed adjustment screw?

Spud

daddy469 · 03-22-2011, 10:46 AM

Hmm, you are prolly right - I've just never seen one so far away from the carb before. "They will never figure this one out ha ha ha, pass the rice." My new plan involves tilting the bike against the corner of my garage (near the fetal mat), removing the flywheel nut cover, attaching the proper size deep well socket and attaching a drill. It is my tried and true method for starting stuff that hasn't been started in a while

. We shall see what we shall see! I also forgot to tighten the stator ground. I remember putting it on its post, but I'm 99% certain I didn't get it with a wrench. A bad ground is never a happy thing.

daddy 8)

FastDoc · 03-22-2011, 11:16 AM

I've seen a number of machines with a hard to access idle screw with such a knob. My 2008 Ninja 250 had one.

Weldangrind · 03-22-2011, 11:43 AM

That mystery knob is well below the drain screw on the float bowl. if it is connected to the idle screw, I presume it uses a cable.

When I find weird stuff like that, I stuff my camera in and take a bunch of pics, hoping that something will be clear. That's how I figured out that the petcock on the Hummer 250 was installed, it's just backwards and inaccessible. :roll:

FastDoc · 03-22-2011, 12:14 PM

On my Ninja 250 it was hooked up with a cable. It was the same setup on a ZX-11 Ninja I had years ago, and maybe another bike or three from my past.

finnrider · 03-22-2011, 02:51 PM

yes it is idle speed adjusting knob.

Wild_Alaskan · 03-22-2011, 03:23 PM

one way i have found to clean carbs when your feeling lazy is to buy some aerosol carb cleaner with the straw, drain your float bowl then fill it through the float bowl drain tube (this bypasses the needle valve and allows it to fill all the way past the jets) once it is filled try starting the bike, it will take a bit because it will be flooded, if it worked it will eventually start. yes your bike will run off of pure carb cleaner although not very well. you will probably need to hold the throttle open a little to keep it running and burn off the carb cleaner then your good to go

FastDoc · 03-22-2011, 04:17 PM

Clever idea. :idea:

If the bike runs but has a plugged jet you can also rev it and suddenly put your palm over the intake, blocking it. The sudden rise in suction will also sometimes clear a plugged jet if you are lucky.

Cal25 · 03-22-2011, 05:11 PM

I have had good luck with an air hose. A couple of blasts towards the throat of the carb with a blow gun gets the juices flowing again.

daddy469 · 03-22-2011, 06:19 PM

It was coughing and sputtering last night until the battery was dead. I've got a 1/2" drill that says it starts up this afternoon.....

daddy 8)

FastDoc · 03-22-2011, 06:34 PM

Kinda like starting a model airplane! :P

daddy469 · 03-23-2011, 08:59 AM

LOL so I get home yesterday and my afternoon / evening was booked up by wifey who needed my assistance with such items as:

putting up another wall in our basement.
measuing tape assistant.
cook.
child chauffeur.

By the time we (she) got the frame built and tacked in place it was dark and cold and my interest in being in the garage went to 0. Today for certain, i'll be home a good three hours before her :twisted: .

daddy

03-22-2011, 12:13 AM	#91
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I'd be checking the pilot jet in the carb. I bet it's full of shellac. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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03-22-2011, 12:34 AM	#93
daddy469 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	Thanks for the suggestions fellas. I held the throttle wide open and never smelt gas. I also found a mystery knob on the side by the emission controls.My battery is dead :roll: . I'm kinda tired of taking it apart, I just wanna ride it . Although, it is/was raining pretty hard this evening. When I went out to the garage after getting home I found a single drop of oil on the ground. Looks like a remant off the skid plate from something. Better be or I'm burning something. The spiders tell me to do things.... Here is a picture of the mystery knob. It is not the choke. The choke is on the carb and says choke on it . I didn't have a ton of motivation to follow it, but it does look like it has something to do with the carb cuz there is a cable headed that direction and I can't for the life of me figure out what else it would go to. daddy 8) __________________ The Great Eye is ever watchful
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03-22-2011, 10:46 AM	#95
daddy469 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	Hmm, you are prolly right - I've just never seen one so far away from the carb before. "They will never figure this one out ha ha ha, pass the rice." My new plan involves tilting the bike against the corner of my garage (near the fetal mat), removing the flywheel nut cover, attaching the proper size deep well socket and attaching a drill. It is my tried and true method for starting stuff that hasn't been started in a while . We shall see what we shall see! I also forgot to tighten the stator ground. I remember putting it on its post, but I'm 99% certain I didn't get it with a wrench. A bad ground is never a happy thing. daddy 8) __________________ The Great Eye is ever watchful
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03-22-2011, 11:16 AM	#96
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I've seen a number of machines with a hard to access idle screw with such a knob. My 2008 Ninja 250 had one. __________________ Happy to serve.
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03-22-2011, 11:43 AM	#97
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	That mystery knob is well below the drain screw on the float bowl. if it is connected to the idle screw, I presume it uses a cable. When I find weird stuff like that, I stuff my camera in and take a bunch of pics, hoping that something will be clear. That's how I figured out that the petcock on the Hummer 250 was installed, it's just backwards and inaccessible. :roll: __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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03-22-2011, 12:14 PM	#98
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	On my Ninja 250 it was hooked up with a cable. It was the same setup on a ZX-11 Ninja I had years ago, and maybe another bike or three from my past. __________________ Happy to serve.
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03-22-2011, 02:51 PM	#99
finnrider Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 20	yes it is idle speed adjusting knob.
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03-22-2011, 03:23 PM	#100
Wild_Alaskan Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Alaska Posts: 914	one way i have found to clean carbs when your feeling lazy is to buy some aerosol carb cleaner with the straw, drain your float bowl then fill it through the float bowl drain tube (this bypasses the needle valve and allows it to fill all the way past the jets) once it is filled try starting the bike, it will take a bit because it will be flooded, if it worked it will eventually start. yes your bike will run off of pure carb cleaner although not very well. you will probably need to hold the throttle open a little to keep it running and burn off the carb cleaner then your good to go __________________ Dune buggy build http://chinariders.net/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=14470 400cc lifan build vid: http://youtu.be/20HoU8OK_Y0 other fun: http://tinyurl.com/wildalaskan
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03-22-2011, 04:17 PM	#101
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Clever idea. :idea: If the bike runs but has a plugged jet you can also rev it and suddenly put your palm over the intake, blocking it. The sudden rise in suction will also sometimes clear a plugged jet if you are lucky. __________________ Happy to serve.
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03-22-2011, 05:11 PM	#102
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	I have had good luck with an air hose. A couple of blasts towards the throat of the carb with a blow gun gets the juices flowing again.
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03-22-2011, 06:19 PM	#103
daddy469 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	It was coughing and sputtering last night until the battery was dead. I've got a 1/2" drill that says it starts up this afternoon..... daddy 8) __________________ The Great Eye is ever watchful
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03-22-2011, 06:34 PM	#104
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Kinda like starting a model airplane! :P __________________ Happy to serve.
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03-23-2011, 08:59 AM	#105
daddy469 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	LOL so I get home yesterday and my afternoon / evening was booked up by wifey who needed my assistance with such items as: putting up another wall in our basement. measuing tape assistant. cook. child chauffeur. By the time we (she) got the frame built and tacked in place it was dark and cold and my interest in being in the garage went to 0. Today for certain, i'll be home a good three hours before her :twisted: . daddy __________________ The Great Eye is ever watchful
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