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12-03-2015, 11:08 AM | #1 |
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BTW, if you have a pumper carb, try to use it. If it is a typical Keihin clone that most of us are familiar with, the Mikuni will be a good fit.
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12-07-2015, 11:37 AM | #2 | |
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All done!...(for now). I did adjust the valves. The intake was fine but the exhaust was way too tight, as expected. I argued with myself relentlessly over this but I opted not to take the carb off at this point and see how it ran first. These are jetted lean but I am at 3000 feet. I can fire it with just a touch of choke and it idles really well, so I may be ok. It ended up running pretty good! Plus, 2" rear wheel spacers are on the way already. I was shocked to see an actual pet cock and also, an inline fuel filter, stock. Of course, the rear axle/chain needed to be aligned as also, the front end. I measured the camber and the left was off a bit but close. Easily adjustable. Also, I aligned the bars when I set the toe. I trimmed off the rim of the damaged front rack plastic cover. It turned out ok. I may end up just taking the covers off as the buzz at certain RPM's, especially the rear. Speaking of rear, the rear rack was all butimpossibble to mount straight. I'm getting closer but I'll mess with it more later. I can say this Tao Tao Rhino is "perfectly Chinese". Mechanically, it's well-built. It's all the add-ons and bolt-ons where the trouble happens....all the way down to getting the seat to click into place. After a little "reformatting", I got it to go.
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12-07-2015, 12:26 PM | #3 |
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Despite the fit and finish issues, I like your quad better than my '08 Gio.
What do you want wheel spacers on the rear?
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12-07-2015, 02:45 PM | #4 |
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I knew the rear wheels had a more narrow stance than the front wheels but wow.....it's a substantial difference, as you can see in the pic with the headlights on. Other than appearance, getting a wider stance on the rear end will also help stability sidehilling across our back slope. Straight up and down the hill is always safest, but not always an option.
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12-07-2015, 08:11 PM | #5 |
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Ah. I wasn't sure what the motivation would be. I normally ride on trails, and there isn't a lot of sidehilling.
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12-08-2015, 11:21 AM | #6 | |
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I also found out last night that the headlights are "for appearance purposes only". I don't think they're good enough to make it to my neighbors and back. Time for a small LED light bar. EDIT: Just ordered a pair of LED lights. Really need to stay off of Amazon.....
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12-08-2015, 12:01 PM | #7 |
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I'd be inclined to get rid of all of the incandescent bulbs on the quad. The stator can only put out so much, and the coil, conventional headlights and battery make that a challenge.
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12-08-2015, 12:21 PM | #8 |
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Great! More to order.... Thanks a lot! ;-) I wonder what LED bulbs it takes? I'll have to check that out tonight.
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12-08-2015, 04:27 PM | #9 |
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On the path of upgrades
So many questions for you...
My friend has one of these, labeled a 250cc (but i am suspicious) and it seems to be the same TaoTao that you have. PZ27 carb (does not hold an idle until warmed up) The two things that I would like to do to it is replace the front suspension and get spacers for the rear wheels. Can you tell me where you got the spacers from ? Do you have an ebay link or Amazon link? Following her around on the motorcycle, it seems that she is a bit unstable in the twisty trails. I put it together for her, and unlike so many other people that I have read about, this did not need a chain/sprocket alignment. Wondering if she needs taller tires? I would like to start with the front suspension first and then assess afterwards. Do people convert the thumb throttle to a twist grip like a motorcycle? I think a joker 1/4 turn throttle would feel great on this thing. Looking forward to seeing what else you do to it. |
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12-08-2015, 05:10 PM | #10 |
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Hi funonemax. I'll try to answer your question as well as I can.
From what you explain on the long warm-up symptoms, it sounds like the PZ27 carb is set up out of the factory like most of them. Lean. If you can access the idle mixture screw, try resetting that first. I got 1 3/4 turns out and adjust from there. Depending on your elevation, you may need rejetting. I've had good luck with the Kehin copies but I'm trying the Mikuni this time just because.... Regarding the suspension, the shocks do suck but I adjusted mine to the lowest (softest) settings front and rear last night and it actually bounces now. Try that first. No fancy wrench needed. Twist the lower spring seats with a pair of channel locks. The spacers I ordered was from a ballpark measurement I took so hopefully they'll work. I ordered these 4/110 2" spacers. If they don't fit, I'll remeasure when it's not 27' in my garage. I'll keep you posted after I receive them. http://www.amazon.com/Factory-Spec-F...+wheel+spacers Of the China quads, these are about as tall of tires they come with. Regarding a twist throttle, Mrs 2LZ would love one on the 150 ATV I'm looking at for her. Her Jetski had a thumb throttle and she hated it. I'd like to hear from someone who did the conversion. The motor is probably the 167FMM. It's most likely a 229/230. My tank had a 250 sticker on it, the website says a 200cc and the frame tag says 150! LOL! Keep fresh oil in that motor and it will give you years of good service. Looks like a ton of fun in your pics! Thanks for posting!
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12-08-2015, 11:03 PM | #11 |
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twist throttle
I had bought a adapter twist throttle at CABELA.. you just remove the rubber grip slide it on.. and it pushes the thumb throttle when you turn the handle grip... works good.. check them out... or on ebay .
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12-09-2015, 10:45 AM | #12 | |
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12-09-2015, 12:58 AM | #13 |
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A twist throttle is tough to use on a machine that you actually steer. Bikes lean more than steer, so a twist throttle works there.
I use a thumb extender on all the quads I've ridden. It makes all the difference.
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12-09-2015, 09:48 AM | #14 |
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mods on the way
Purchased a twist throttle AND a thumb adaptor.
Holding off on the read spacers until I see that they work, if they do then I will get them shipped right away. Thanks for the heads up on the shocks, I will give that a shot first. Channel locks and twist to the lowest level. Maybe second lowest if it will stop it from being bouncy. I have messed with the idle screw and marked it with a sharpie. Since then I have had to adjust it 3 separate times. Not a big deal, but it would be nice to have it as one and done. Re jetting may just be the way to go, I will see if she is serious about it or going to transfer over to the apollo motorcycle that I have been tweaking. Either way, its a good day in the woods. Thank you for the quick reply, following this post for more updates. |
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12-09-2015, 10:52 AM | #15 | |
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The idle mixture screw that points straight down does have a tendency to move sometimes. I don't recall a spring on them. I check mine once in a blue moon just because, anyway. I rejetted the Keihin clone on my Xmoto and set up the mixture and that throttle is very snappy. Instant response. I can't remember what jetting it was but it made a huge difference. It's ths standard rejet everyone here uses for both pilot and main.
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