do we have any knowledge of the 450cc bikes

recracer · 01-01-2013, 03:24 PM

http://www.pitmotorsltd.com/pitl1_030.htm listed on pit motors for cleveland cycle werks . guessing they are asiawing products

culcune · 01-01-2013, 08:42 PM

Looks promising, but they have showed 3 Hooliguns so far, too. I'll believe it when I see it.

recracer · 01-01-2013, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by culcune

Looks promising, but they have showed 3 Hooliguns so far, too. I'll believe it when I see it.

You are right , they show a different one a 250 supermoto i suspect megelli related on cleveland cylcewerks and before that a 250 that looked more like the Qlink 250mt ,with no signs of a 450cc . defenitly a wait and see . The usa EPA is a pretty hard nut to crack these days

SpudRider · 01-01-2013, 11:01 PM

I haven't heard any news regarding that bike. As with you, I won't hold my breath waiting for it to arrive.

I am hopeful the larger bikes will finally make their way to the United States. However, we currently aren't seeing many bikes of any size being imported from China. :roll:

Spud

MICRider · 01-01-2013, 11:18 PM

I'm guessing if they ever do make it to market that they're going to be very expensive! Plus, water cooling on the chinese machines still gives me the willy's

SpudRider · 01-02-2013, 12:01 AM

How can a Chinese, 450cc bike with a carburetor compete with the Honda, CRF250L with fuel injection?

Spud

recracer · 01-02-2013, 12:23 AM

CCW HOOLIGUN 450 R
ENGINE
Engine Type 449cc liquid cooled, single cylinder, SOHC, four stroke.
Bore + Stroke 96mm x 62.1mm
Compression Ratio 11:1
Fuel System carbureted with EEC, EFI tuned port with EPA/CARB
Maximum Output 43.5 HP / 7000 RPM
Maximum Torque 42.5 NM / 6500 RPM
Ignition System DCDI
Starting System electric and kick
Gearshift Specification 5 speed, standard international shift pattern (1,N,2,3,4,5)
Final Drive KMC 520 chain, front 15t / rear 46t
CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES
Chassis all aluminum twin spar upper with all aluminum sub frame and linked rear swing arm
Front Suspension
47mm inverted style fork with rebound and compression-dampening adjustability, 250mm
of travel
Rear Suspension
pro-link single shock with spring preload adjustment and rebound-dampening adjustability
305mm of travel
Front Brakes single 240mm disc with dual piston caliper
Rear Brakes single 240mm disc with single piston caliper
Front Wheel 17"
Rear Wheel 17"
DIMENSIONS
L x W x H 2320 x 830 x 1300 mm
Wheelbase 1500 mm
Ground Clearance 330 mm
Seat Height 960 mm
Fuel Capacity 8 liter
Weight 120 KG / 264.6 LBS
DETAILED INFO:
Tail Light + Turn Signals LED lighting
Speedometer digital speedometer available in MPH and KPH
Colors polypropylene color impregnated black with CCW graphics packages

recracer · 01-02-2013, 01:15 AM

looks like asiawing has a few years behind there 450cc heres a 2009 youtube race with a 450mx

Weldangrind · 01-02-2013, 11:52 AM

For insurance reasons, it's too bad that it's not 399cc.

recracer · 01-04-2013, 05:52 PM

After a few chats with some in the usa and china . Looks like the msrp will be in the 6000 dollar range . I am also told the 450 is an exact copy of a honda 450 . witch year honda 450 i don't know 2012 honda exhaust exits on the left ,so not that new for sure . On a side note i also was told Zongshen was working on there own 400cc engine , could be very late in 2013 to hear anything about it .

SpudRider · 01-04-2013, 11:58 PM

I am definitely interested to learn more of the Zongshen, 400cc engine.

However, at the price you listed, I think a 400cc chinabike will have a hard time competing with the Honda CRF250L priced at $4,499.

Spud

Weldangrind · 01-05-2013, 01:12 AM

43.5hp is impressive.

recracer · 01-05-2013, 01:35 AM

I agree at that price it is close to the msrp of a suzuki drz400 . in weight and power close to crf450 . a steller reveiw and a price in the 5200 5300 range could help it . spec show the usa epa /carb model will have fuel injection

katoranger · 01-05-2013, 10:01 AM

msrp of 6000 which means an actual price closer to 5000. Still alot for an unknown bike.

recracer · 01-05-2013, 10:14 AM

I have been trying to find anything i could about these bikes . i don't read or speak this . but it appears you can have your asiawing in all wheel drive .2012 Christini AWD 450

http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/945...stini-450-awd/

Christini 450 All-Wheel Drive Motorcycle(La gamma Ã¨ divisa in due e quattro tempi. AWD 250 ed AWD 300 (entrambe EnduroCross - avete presente i video girati nel deserto del Mojave? Ecco...) sono spinte dal propulsore Gas Gas a due tempi, mentre AWD 450 (EnduroCross), AWD 450DS (Enduro omologata per la circolazione stradale) ed AWD 450SM (Supermotard) montano un quattro tempi da 450cc prodotto dalla cinese Asiawing Motors su base Honda CRF.)

01-01-2013, 03:24 PM	#1
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	do we have any knowledge of the 450cc bikes http://www.pitmotorsltd.com/pitl1_030.htm listed on pit motors for cleveland cycle werks . guessing they are asiawing products
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01-01-2013, 08:42 PM	#2
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	Looks promising, but they have showed 3 Hooliguns so far, too. I'll believe it when I see it. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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01-01-2013, 11:01 PM	#4
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	I haven't heard any news regarding that bike. As with you, I won't hold my breath waiting for it to arrive. I am hopeful the larger bikes will finally make their way to the United States. However, we currently aren't seeing many bikes of any size being imported from China. :roll: Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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01-02-2013, 12:01 AM	#6
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	How can a Chinese, 450cc bike with a carburetor compete with the Honda, CRF250L with fuel injection? Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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01-02-2013, 11:52 AM	#9
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	For insurance reasons, it's too bad that it's not 399cc. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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01-01-2013, 11:18 PM	#5
MICRider Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,274	I'm guessing if they ever do make it to market that they're going to be very expensive! Plus, water cooling on the chinese machines still gives me the willy's
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01-02-2013, 12:23 AM	#7
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	CCW HOOLIGUN 450 R ENGINE Engine Type 449cc liquid cooled, single cylinder, SOHC, four stroke. Bore + Stroke 96mm x 62.1mm Compression Ratio 11:1 Fuel System carbureted with EEC, EFI tuned port with EPA/CARB Maximum Output 43.5 HP / 7000 RPM Maximum Torque 42.5 NM / 6500 RPM Ignition System DCDI Starting System electric and kick Gearshift Specification 5 speed, standard international shift pattern (1,N,2,3,4,5) Final Drive KMC 520 chain, front 15t / rear 46t CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES Chassis all aluminum twin spar upper with all aluminum sub frame and linked rear swing arm Front Suspension 47mm inverted style fork with rebound and compression-dampening adjustability, 250mm of travel Rear Suspension pro-link single shock with spring preload adjustment and rebound-dampening adjustability 305mm of travel Front Brakes single 240mm disc with dual piston caliper Rear Brakes single 240mm disc with single piston caliper Front Wheel 17" Rear Wheel 17" DIMENSIONS L x W x H 2320 x 830 x 1300 mm Wheelbase 1500 mm Ground Clearance 330 mm Seat Height 960 mm Fuel Capacity 8 liter Weight 120 KG / 264.6 LBS DETAILED INFO: Tail Light + Turn Signals LED lighting Speedometer digital speedometer available in MPH and KPH Colors polypropylene color impregnated black with CCW graphics packages
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01-02-2013, 01:15 AM	#8
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	looks like asiawing has a few years behind there 450cc heres a 2009 youtube race with a 450mx
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01-04-2013, 05:52 PM	#10
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	After a few chats with some in the usa and china . Looks like the msrp will be in the 6000 dollar range . I am also told the 450 is an exact copy of a honda 450 . witch year honda 450 i don't know 2012 honda exhaust exits on the left ,so not that new for sure . On a side note i also was told Zongshen was working on there own 400cc engine , could be very late in 2013 to hear anything about it .
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01-04-2013, 11:58 PM	#11
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	I am definitely interested to learn more of the Zongshen, 400cc engine. However, at the price you listed, I think a 400cc chinabike will have a hard time competing with the Honda CRF250L priced at $4,499. Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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01-05-2013, 01:12 AM	#12
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	43.5hp is impressive. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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01-05-2013, 01:35 AM	#13
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	I agree at that price it is close to the msrp of a suzuki drz400 . in weight and power close to crf450 . a steller reveiw and a price in the 5200 5300 range could help it . spec show the usa epa /carb model will have fuel injection
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01-05-2013, 10:01 AM	#14
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	msrp of 6000 which means an actual price closer to 5000. Still alot for an unknown bike. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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01-05-2013, 10:14 AM	#15
recracer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Charles Town W.V. Posts: 849	I have been trying to find anything i could about these bikes . i don't read or speak this . but it appears you can have your asiawing in all wheel drive .2012 Christini AWD 450 http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/945...stini-450-awd/ Christini 450 All-Wheel Drive Motorcycle(La gamma Ã¨ divisa in due e quattro tempi. AWD 250 ed AWD 300 (entrambe EnduroCross - avete presente i video girati nel deserto del Mojave? Ecco...) sono spinte dal propulsore Gas Gas a due tempi, mentre AWD 450 (EnduroCross), AWD 450DS (Enduro omologata per la circolazione stradale) ed AWD 450SM (Supermotard) montano un quattro tempi da 450cc prodotto dalla cinese Asiawing Motors su base Honda CRF.)
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