Factory muffler on the TT250 is illegal. -?-

TXDSRIDER · 05-31-2016, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 2LZ

I have not one single stock muffler that has any stamping in it regarding CARB or USFS spark arrestor information, that I've seen. I can look again tonight. Only my after-market units have that information, if I recall correctly.
Any time I've been out to an OHV park, the Rangers don't look for stamping or labeling, they stick a coat hanger up the pipe looking for it to stop.

Same here I have never had a stamp on the exhaust of any motorcyle or atv I have owned.

BlackBike · 05-31-2016, 10:57 PM

Everyone from the manufacturer s, the people who write these endless laws rules and regulations, and the enforcement personal can't keep up with the latest edicts and procedures.

Middle fingers up,... Salute!

RedSpruce · 06-01-2016, 12:27 AM

In my experience, it is only motos that are not street legal that have to have the USFS stamp of approval. If it has a license plate on it it doesn't have to have the stamp.

Look at it this way, if everything had to have a USFS stamp then your Jeep Wrangler or any other road legal vehicle would have to have one, and they don't.

Of course it is always up to the interpretation of the USFS LEO that you may have to deal with.

Below is the link to the official USFS Spark Arrester Guide.
http://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/programs/fi...ets/2012_GP.pd

'16 TT250 · 06-01-2016, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RedSpruce

In my experience, it is only motos that are not street legal that have to have the USFS stamp of approval. If it has a license plate on it it doesn't have to have the stamp.

Look at it this way, if everything had to have a USFS stamp then your Jeep Wrangler or any other road legal vehicle would have to have one, and they don't.

Of course it is always up to the interpretation of the USFS LEO that you may have to deal with.

Good point I'd forgotten. It's actually in the written law that all street legal mufflers are legal for use off-road. Street legal does require the identifying label as far as bikes are concerned so it's still a sketchy position to be in having an unstamped muffler. Guess I'll just go find a cop and see what he says about it.

dpl096 · 06-01-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by '16 TT250

Good point I'd forgotten. It's actually in the written law that all street legal mufflers are legal for use off-road. Street legal does require the identifying label as far as bikes are concerned so it's still a sketchy position to be in having an unstamped muffler. Guess I'll just go find a cop and see what he says about it.

Please no donut shop jabs ,,,, it gets old trust me

'16 TT250 · 06-01-2016, 12:49 AM

These labeling laws have been around since the 70's or 80's, not very new. Roadside enforcement targeting them was apparently stepped up in 2011 from what I've read, but still only being executed here & there. Today I checked a few more bikes and two quads, I still haven't found a frame nor OE exhaust that's not labeled whether Japanese, Italian, German, or American. Some of the labels are hard to find, Harley muffler stamps for one, but they've all been labeled except the TT.

I know that the forestry approval stamping does get looked at off-road, I've watched officers check for them.

moparrob · 06-02-2016, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBike

Everyone from the manufacturer s, the people who write these endless laws rules and regulations, and the enforcement personal can't keep up with the latest edicts and procedures.

Middle fingers up,... Salute!

Bravo, I completely agree. A little civil disobedience in your life will help you re-discover what actually made America great in the first place. Just imagine yourself under the tyranny of England for failing to properly label an item or pay an onerous tax they decided to impose.

Live a little and take a walk on the wild side. I promise you that when you are on your deathbed and about to die you will not regret having owned an 'outlaw' bike that failed to have a properly displayed compliance statement on it.

Embrace the opportunity to make memories that you can tell your children and grandchildren. Tell them about the time "The Man" tried to check your vehicle for compliance but instead you and your buddy hopped on your TT250s and left them in the dust as you retreated to your safe haven and laughed about the episode for hours.

Stop trying to conform to the ever burgeoning series of (generally useless) laws designed to command obedience from the flocks of sheep that we have collectively become as Americans. Dare to be different and never regret your decisions.

Stay thirsty my friends and Carpe Diem.

Azhule · 06-02-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by moparrob

Stay thirsty my friends and Carpe Diem.

"I don't always ride a China Bike, but when I do... I ride it illegally"

dpl096 · 06-02-2016, 10:30 AM

now that's funny

rojo_grande · 06-02-2016, 11:50 AM

I don't think this addresses the OHV spark arrest bit. There is an EPA sticker on the bike. Its on the left side on the frame just forward of the tank. Kinda hard to see up in there but its there.

Rojo

'16 TT250 · 06-03-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rojo_grande

I don't think this addresses the OHV spark arrest bit. There is an EPA sticker on the bike. Its on the left side on the frame just forward of the tank. Kinda hard to see up in there but its there.

Rojo

From my understanding any street legal muffler is off-road approved. An non-street muffler needs the Forestry approval stamp.
I hadn't noticed that sticker, but it doesn't have what's required by the law so it's moot.

SeerAtlas · 06-02-2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by moparrob

Bravo, I completely agree. A little civil disobedience in your life will help you re-discover what actually made America great in the first place. Just imagine yourself under the tyranny of England for failing to properly label an item or pay an onerous tax they decided to impose.

Live a little and take a walk on the wild side. I promise you that when you are on your deathbed and about to die you will not regret having owned an 'outlaw' bike that failed to have a properly displayed compliance statement on it.

Embrace the opportunity to make memories that you can tell your children and grandchildren. Tell them about the time "The Man" tried to check your vehicle for compliance but instead you and your buddy hopped on your TT250s and left them in the dust as you retreated to your safe haven and laughed about the episode for hours.

Stop trying to conform to the ever burgeoning series of (generally useless) laws designed to command obedience from the flocks of sheep that we have collectively become as Americans. Dare to be different and never regret your decisions.

Stay thirsty my friends and Carpe Diem.

as a former law enforcement type officer in several guises, let me counsel, especially in this day and age, running from an armed leo can be a really baaaad idea, i don't care how ' Fast' or skilled you are, or *think* you are. ESPECIALLY, WHEN YOUR FACE IS MOST LIKELY TO BE CONCEALED IN A FULL FACE HELMET!!! Just a 'what if'- suppose you are bombing around in a wooded or other secluded area where drug activity is suspected (you'd be surprised how much gets transported thru the woods by armed smugglers/mules). now just suppose the leo you encounter has been aware of this. remember, the first thing leos look to in making that critical first assessment of whether you are a physical threat, is to assess your facial expression and eyes- fully concealed by your helmet, number 2, your actions- flight?-if you decide to come at them in an effort to bypass them in your escape, well, u decide for yourself. worth the risk? not to me. YMMV

'16 TT250 · 06-03-2016, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SeerAtlas

as a former law enforcement type officer in several guises, let me counsel, especially in this day and age, running from an armed leo can be a really baaaad idea, i don't care how ' Fast' or skilled you are, or *think* you are. ESPECIALLY, WHEN YOUR FACE IS MOST LIKELY TO BE CONCEALED IN A FULL FACE HELMET!!! Just a 'what if'- suppose you are bombing around in a wooded or other secluded area where drug activity is suspected (you'd be surprised how much gets transported thru the woods by armed smugglers/mules). now just suppose the leo you encounter has been aware of this. remember, the first thing leos look to in making that critical first assessment of whether you are a physical threat, is to assess your facial expression and eyes- fully concealed by your helmet, number 2, your actions- flight?-if you decide to come at them in an effort to bypass them in your escape, well, u decide for yourself. worth the risk? not to me. YMMV

Many have perished for doing something that dumb. Some people just don't seem to understand the difference between 'bending over and being a sheep' vs. not being a piece of crap criminal.

I'll admit that I ran from the cops a few times many years ago, never in a situation that I felt endangered anyone, but it was still a selfish thing to do. I've also stood my ground and protested at checkpoints which I'll still do to this day, altho they're becoming fewer and further between. Sadly I'm just tired and have no real point here so I'll check out.

SeerAtlas · 06-03-2016, 04:11 AM

tt250, and you other 'rebels', don't misunderstand me

I did crap when I was young that makes "Animal House" a yawner in comparison. Hell I once went out to the local public golf course in the middle of the night doing doughnuts on the greens with my then new Kawasaki 120 knobby tired trailbike

I can't remember if i 'played' all 18 holes, but i got a slew of em

One saturday night in the local park, I came an inch from being shot at the main parked car "makeout point" looking out over the city. with the bike turned off, I snuck quietly up to one of the cars with the most steamed up windows, positioned the then off headlight directly into the backseat, then kicked the bike over, high beam on, and held down the horn

imagine my suprise, it was truly a *kodak* moment when a mexican looking dude came screaming out of that car with his pants down to his ankles and his small cal pistol blazing away as i killed the bike lights (you could do that then)and motor crossed away down the nearby horse trail into the darkness setting a new 120 speed record lol.

still, those didn't approach messing w an armed leo...(they are all armed, all the time:(

Jayman77 · 06-03-2016, 08:15 AM

This thread has lost it's way
I would think after all the EPA and carb certification process the TT250 has been through it will be ok I would Chalk this thread up to wgaf

05-31-2016, 10:57 PM	#2
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06-01-2016, 12:27 AM	#3
RedSpruce Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Northeast Oregon Posts: 40	In my experience, it is only motos that are not street legal that have to have the USFS stamp of approval. If it has a license plate on it it doesn't have to have the stamp. Look at it this way, if everything had to have a USFS stamp then your Jeep Wrangler or any other road legal vehicle would have to have one, and they don't. Of course it is always up to the interpretation of the USFS LEO that you may have to deal with. Below is the link to the official USFS Spark Arrester Guide. http://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/programs/fi...ets/2012_GP.pd __________________ Current Motos: 2015 RX3, 2016 CSC TT, 1975 Honda XL250
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06-02-2016, 11:50 AM	#10
rojo_grande Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Weston, CO & Sangre de Cristos Posts: 240	I don't think this addresses the OHV spark arrest bit. There is an EPA sticker on the bike. Its on the left side on the frame just forward of the tank. Kinda hard to see up in there but its there. Rojo __________________ '15 RX3 (Rojo's) '15 RX3 (marzhere's) '16 TT250
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06-03-2016, 04:11 AM	#14
SeerAtlas Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 770	tt250, and you other 'rebels', don't misunderstand me I did crap when I was young that makes "Animal House" a yawner in comparison. Hell I once went out to the local public golf course in the middle of the night doing doughnuts on the greens with my then new Kawasaki 120 knobby tired trailbike I can't remember if i 'played' all 18 holes, but i got a slew of em One saturday night in the local park, I came an inch from being shot at the main parked car "makeout point" looking out over the city. with the bike turned off, I snuck quietly up to one of the cars with the most steamed up windows, positioned the then off headlight directly into the backseat, then kicked the bike over, high beam on, and held down the horn imagine my suprise, it was truly a kodak moment when a mexican looking dude came screaming out of that car with his pants down to his ankles and his small cal pistol blazing away as i killed the bike lights (you could do that then)and motor crossed away down the nearby horse trail into the darkness setting a new 120 speed record lol. still, those didn't approach messing w an armed leo...(they are all armed, all the time:( __________________ Seer's First LAW-"FLY THE PLANE!", fail that, and nothing else matters. 12th Law- Consider what marvels you might do if only you had tomorrow to live over again. Third Law-When someone tells you some thing "Can't Be Done", what they're really saying is They can't do it!!14th Law-Just because something "IS", doesn't necessarily mean it SHOULD be.. Eighth Law-The only true personal security is anonymity.Ninth Law-Humans tend to learn very little when speaking.10th Law-Some lives ARE worth taking
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06-01-2016, 12:49 AM	#6
'16 TT250 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Hacienda Heights, Ca Posts: 281	These labeling laws have been around since the 70's or 80's, not very new. Roadside enforcement targeting them was apparently stepped up in 2011 from what I've read, but still only being executed here & there. Today I checked a few more bikes and two quads, I still haven't found a frame nor OE exhaust that's not labeled whether Japanese, Italian, German, or American. Some of the labels are hard to find, Harley muffler stamps for one, but they've all been labeled except the TT. I know that the forestry approval stamping does get looked at off-road, I've watched officers check for them.
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06-03-2016, 08:15 AM	#15
Jayman77 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: coastal SC. Posts: 206	This thread has lost it's way I would think after all the EPA and carb certification process the TT250 has been through it will be ok I would Chalk this thread up to wgaf __________________ 2016 TT250 2014 NSS300 FORZA 2014 UN200 BURGMAN
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