Hawk 250 DLX

Vingotti · 04-14-2018, 06:59 PM

Perhaps this is a sneak peak of what the new EFI Hawk will be. Check out KMT CFR250.

redneck51587 · 04-15-2018, 06:37 PM

I already have a Hawk 250. I have heard about the DLX model but also that it will carry a hefty price tag of $3k!!! That is more than double the price of the original hawk 250

redneck51587 · 04-15-2018, 06:52 PM

http://m.china-motorbike.com/sdm/128...ine_avail.html

Is this what you were talking about??

shanesaw · 04-15-2018, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by redneck51587

http://m.china-motorbike.com/sdm/128...ine_avail.html

Is this what you were talking about??

That website has a ton of bikes! I hope someone imports that kmt200...that thing looks like a tw200 with the big fat rear wheel.

Megadan · 04-16-2018, 03:55 AM

For $3000, that thing better come with more than just EFI. I can add EFI to my Hawk for $200-300 right now.

For $3000, it better have the following.
1. Better forks - I.E. Fast Ace or equivalent USD forks.
2. Better rear shock - preload and rebound adjustment at a minimum.
3. Better rear swing arm - Not the stamped steel nonsense that can crush from tightening the rear axle nut.
4. Better hubs, spokes, and rims - Self explanatory.
5. Better plastic quality.
6 Better fasteners, bearings, and other misc hardware.

It better be an amazing machine for that price point, because $3,000 is GOOD used Japanese enduro territory.

Also, not to be picky, but for a bit more than 3 grand I can get an LXR250F - a bike that has some serious hardware AND a liquid cooled engine with 20 more cc's, 10+ more hp and 1 more gear in the trans. So it better at least come somewhat close to matching that bike for anybody to shell out that kind of cash for.

ben2go · 04-16-2018, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redneck51587

http://m.china-motorbike.com/sdm/128...ine_avail.html

Is this what you were talking about??

That is a water cooled EFI Hawk.

Goshawk · 04-18-2018, 04:53 PM

At $690 per unit cost, minimum order ten, I have to wonder where the sum of $3000 is conjured up from? As things stand, all Chinese bikes depend on being, "very affordable", which is a polite euphemism for cheap; Otherwise people would flee in droves to used or new Jap bikes. Someone in southern New Hampshire is trying to off load 2017 Hawks for $1900 a pop, and apparently has several, at least. I do wonder how he got them and what his margins are if FI bikes are $690?

**JerryHawk250** · 04-18-2018, 05:28 PM

The only problem is I don't see is that it's not EPA certified for off or on road.

shanesaw · 04-18-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Goshawk

At $690 per unit cost, minimum order ten, I have to wonder where the sum of $3000 is conjured up from? As things stand, all Chinese bikes depend on being, "very affordable", which is a polite euphemism for cheap; Otherwise people would flee in droves to used or new Jap bikes. Someone in southern New Hampshire is trying to off load 2017 Hawks for $1900 a pop, and apparently has several, at least. I do wonder how he got them and what his margins are if FI bikes are $690?

I saw that someone was selling them for that in southern NH. Also there was a guy in central VT selling them for 1900 and had a few taotao quads as well.

My guess is these guys are not importers and are buying the hawks for 1399 and just trying to make a few bucks on Craiglist. If they buy 5 and make 400/500 profit on 4 bikes they get the 5th one free.

dpl096 · 04-18-2018, 09:04 PM

No thank you....I'll keep my 3 grand....

Goshawk · 04-19-2018, 07:50 AM

"I saw that someone was selling them for that in southern NH. Also there was a guy in central VT selling them for 1900 and had a few taotao quads as well.

My guess is these guys are not importers and are buying the hawks for 1399 and just trying to make a few bucks on Craiglist. If they buy 5 and make 400/500 profit on 4 bikes they get the 5th one free."

Possibly so, but my point is, if fuel injected bikes are $690, (probably "Free on Board" in China somewhere) what must the 250RPS Hawk be, given the speculated $1600 price hike? FI does not cost that much. It is all speculation and for myself FI will not provide what I want ie 32HP, six speed trans with a tall 6th gear. I won't be holding my breath.

Megadan · 04-19-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Goshawk

Possibly so, but my point is, if fuel injected bikes are $690, (probably "Free on Board" in China somewhere) what must the 250RPS Hawk be, given the speculated $1600 price hike? FI does not cost that much. It is all speculation and for myself FI will not provide what I want ie 32HP, six speed trans with a tall 6th gear. I won't be holding my breath.

Which goes back to my comment. For that price increase, even if it didn't have the kind of power you want, it better have a bunch of other hardware to back up that insane price hike. If it is just a Hawk with a water cooled, EFI, version of the CG motor making 18hp. I will spend my money elsewhere.

Now, if it can hold a candle to the higher end bikes offered by Pitster Pro and SSR - aka Fast Ace suspension with actual travel, alloy rims and hubs, etc. Maybe.

pistolclass · 04-20-2018, 08:05 AM

I could be wrong but that does not include shipping or EPA testing let alone NTSHA testing either. And forget CARB testing. I believe the importer is responsible for that otherwise I'd order a shipping container (96 units) of them.... Not kidding.

Weldangrind · 04-20-2018, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pistolclass

I could be wrong but that does not include shipping or EPA testing let alone NTSHA testing either. And forget CARB testing. I believe the importer is responsible for that otherwise I'd order a shipping container (96 units) of them.... Not kidding.

It occurred to me that it might be wise to buy a container of bikes, even if just for parts. If the bikes can be imported for off-road use only, perhaps CARB doesn't come into play (it doesn't in Canada). The frames would be useless, but there would be a giant cache of motors, wheels, brakes, suspension, etc. I'm pretty sure the group here would be in need of such things eventually.

Goshawk · 04-20-2018, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolclass

I could be wrong but that does not include shipping or EPA testing let alone NTSHA testing either. And forget CARB testing. I believe the importer is responsible for that otherwise I'd order a shipping container (96 units) of them.... Not kidding.

That's what I meant by FOB (Free On Board) in China. The importer carries the rest of the cost. I did this for a living in another life.

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Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,978	For $3000, that thing better come with more than just EFI. I can add EFI to my Hawk for $200-300 right now. For $3000, it better have the following. 1. Better forks - I.E. Fast Ace or equivalent USD forks. 2. Better rear shock - preload and rebound adjustment at a minimum. 3. Better rear swing arm - Not the stamped steel nonsense that can crush from tightening the rear axle nut. 4. Better hubs, spokes, and rims - Self explanatory. 5. Better plastic quality. 6 Better fasteners, bearings, and other misc hardware. It better be an amazing machine for that price point, because $3,000 is GOOD used Japanese enduro territory. Also, not to be picky, but for a bit more than 3 grand I can get an LXR250F - a bike that has some serious hardware AND a liquid cooled engine with 20 more cc's, 10+ more hp and 1 more gear in the trans. So it better at least come somewhat close to matching that bike for anybody to shell out that kind of cash for. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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redneck51587 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Milford, IN Posts: 27	I already have a Hawk 250. I have heard about the DLX model but also that it will carry a hefty price tag of $3k!!! That is more than double the price of the original hawk 250
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04-15-2018, 06:52 PM	#3
redneck51587 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Milford, IN Posts: 27	http://m.china-motorbike.com/sdm/128...ine_avail.html Is this what you were talking about??
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04-18-2018, 04:53 PM	#7
Goshawk Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New England Posts: 43	At $690 per unit cost, minimum order ten, I have to wonder where the sum of $3000 is conjured up from? As things stand, all Chinese bikes depend on being, "very affordable", which is a polite euphemism for cheap; Otherwise people would flee in droves to used or new Jap bikes. Someone in southern New Hampshire is trying to off load 2017 Hawks for $1900 a pop, and apparently has several, at least. I do wonder how he got them and what his margins are if FI bikes are $690?
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04-19-2018, 07:50 AM	#11
Goshawk Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New England Posts: 43	"I saw that someone was selling them for that in southern NH. Also there was a guy in central VT selling them for 1900 and had a few taotao quads as well. My guess is these guys are not importers and are buying the hawks for 1399 and just trying to make a few bucks on Craiglist. If they buy 5 and make 400/500 profit on 4 bikes they get the 5th one free." Possibly so, but my point is, if fuel injected bikes are $690, (probably "Free on Board" in China somewhere) what must the 250RPS Hawk be, given the speculated $1600 price hike? FI does not cost that much. It is all speculation and for myself FI will not provide what I want ie 32HP, six speed trans with a tall 6th gear. I won't be holding my breath.
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pistolclass Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: connecticut Posts: 978	I could be wrong but that does not include shipping or EPA testing let alone NTSHA testing either. And forget CARB testing. I believe the importer is responsible for that otherwise I'd order a shipping container (96 units) of them.... Not kidding.
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