Factory muffler on the TT250 is illegal. -?-

[1cylinderwonder]

Originally Posted by 2LZ

I've been checked a bunch of times over the years. Every time I go into an OHV park at the gate and also, at least a half dozen time in USFS lands in the middle of nowhere and the rangers have always just stuck a wire up the pipe looking for it to hit an obstacle, be it a baffle, screen or whatever....and they've had no problems.
Last thing I want to do is be "that guy" who starts the wildfire anyway.

Even if there was a stamp or sticker, they probably wouldn't trust it anyway as people love to cheat around labels.

My son is a National Park Ranger and may check occasionally for spark arrestor, but never for muffler stampings or frame stickers.
The same when I ride through military bases. No checking for stampings or stickers, just verification of driver license, current bike registration and insurance.

['16 TT250]

Originally Posted by 1cylinderwonder

Do you own any modern, recent, bikes, besides CB's? A lot of the exhaust pipe and canister laws are rather new.

If by "rather new" you mean they started in the 80's or so then yes, they're rather new. Just messing with you some, but the labeling laws are about that old. There have been laws written more recently that allow officers to cite and judges to rule based purely on the labeling to eliminate the judgment call of an officer without a decibel meter to be able to enforce exhaust noise laws. It used to be that if the exhaust was 'of similar construction' to the original and passed a decibel test it was ok. Since most cops can't conduct a roadside noise test that meets the requirements they couldn't enforce noise laws effectively. Now, at least in CA., they can just go off just the labels and the actual noise doesn't matter. They can also go after emissions compliance and have done so for many years, but they usually reserve that level of screwing for a problem person or street racers. If they ding you for emissions compliance it becomes very complicated and expensive to get your vehicle out of impound, they're often destroyed. Whether the vehicle is retrieved or not, the owner is liable for any costs incurred for the towing and storage and those bandits get around $200 for a tow and daily storage around $40 or so.

['16 TT250]

Originally Posted by 1cylinderwonder

My son is a National Park Ranger and may check occasionally for spark arrestor, but never for muffler stampings or frame stickers.
The same when I ride through military bases. No checking for stampings or stickers, just verification of driver license, current bike registration and insurance.

Luckily I think most enforcement officers are like that, ruling on logic and/or spirit of the law. Then there's that cop that would write his own mother a ticket for 36 in a 35.

I unfortunately grew up with one of the latter who patrolled my neighborhood when I was growing up. Could you ever imagine being pulled over for speeding on an old rusty Huffy? I couldn't 'till I did, and he did several other shitty things to me and many people I know. I've heard there's even a Facebook page about the guy, Kevin E. Barnes of the CHP for anyone curious. I got my revenge several times as I grew up and he was demoted a couple of those times. Luckily he went away or I'd probably have to kill him just to get out my driveway without being stopped. I went at least a year without a license plate on my first sport bike because I was evading him often; if he can't prove it, it wasn't me.

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by 1cylinderwonder

Different countries, different laws and regulations.

I bought my muffler in the USA.

[kohburn]

i got an envelope with a letter about how to install the stickers but no stickers. i think it was supposed to have the stickers in there.

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by kohburn

i got an envelope with a letter about how to install the stickers but no stickers. i think it was supposed to have the stickers in there.

I'm holding them hostage. A cheap 6 pack of cans will do wonders.........

[dpl096]

Originally Posted by kohburn

i got an envelope with a letter about how to install the stickers but no stickers. i think it was supposed to have the stickers in there.

kinda like a government promise .....huh

[oddthought]

Oh, my TT250 came with the stickers on both frame and muffler, so they must have made the change for new bikes heading out. Just thought I'd mention it.