newbie , w/ questions about enduros?

ta400 · 07-28-2017, 09:28 PM

Hello,
I am new here. Looking forward to all the help I can get , with questions I have?.. First off. I definitely going for a new Enduro Motorcycle! But, I can't decide between these Models? HAWK 250 , Bashan's Enduro motorcycles. (Storm / Brozz / Enforcer) models? I need them already assembled with delivery all for under $2000? I can do some basic mechanic work. But , I am confused about these models, they all look like the same , just different plastics. I am looking for the one that needs the least upgrades to it for it to be road worthy. And registering it in Ohio. Any help will be appreciated ?

Megadan · 07-29-2017, 05:56 AM

They all look about the same because they are all pretty much about the same. Small differences here and there, but more or less all based on the same design.

If you are looking for a new bike, assembled, for less than 2000 delivered that will be the least troublesome out of the box, then it generally seems the Bashan bikes are more up your alley. Many Bashan owners are generally happy with their bikes as is right out of the box.

The Hawk is a great bike, but it is definitely more of a mechanics bike out of the box. It is also the hardest of the bkes to register in a few states. I would recommend doing a bit of research on which bikes have been successfully registered in Ohio to help prevent possible headaches.

Regardless of who assembled the bike, I would personally recommend still going over every part of the bike yourself to ensure it was all done correctly. Being pre-assembled doesn't mean it was done well.

If you are willing to spend a bit more than 2k, then the TT250 is probably the best of them all. To have one delivered (they come assembled) will probably run around $2500 though for a 2017 model.

humanbeing · 07-29-2017, 08:36 AM

http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=18534 is worth to read
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Looks similar

This shape is known as 巴西款 in Chinese. The Chinese term gave u the hints that Brazilian "Bros" is their great ancestor... Anyway Latin America is their main target market...

emptypockets · 07-31-2017, 12:47 PM

I bought a new Hawk two months ago. Definitely agree with the comment it's a mechanics project bike. Everything needs adjustments out of the box. Everything. I've spent more time working on it than riding it. I got my OHV registration in the mail last week and took it out to Rampart Range for a ride. The US Forrest Ranger told me that the spark arrestor wasn't certified. He wasn't going to make a big deal out if it, but told me some other ranger might in the future. Then about 3 miles in the electrical system started shorting out. Then it started raining. Sure was fun pushing it in the rain. I'm going to take the gas tank off tonight and see what's gone wrong with the wiring harness. Got about 30 miles on it so far.

BlackBike · 07-31-2017, 03:06 PM

megadan makes good points

before you buy, need to go ahead and decide now if you want a china bike with its low price and responsibilities, if not. start saving more $$$

https://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/...ro-R-121285404

ps, the parts are a bit pricy too.

joeboyk · 08-03-2017, 07:44 PM

not sure where you are located but ohio was painless in the registration process.Im in Summit county.can think of 3 hawk guys who have contacted me with concerns on the registration all of them had success in different counties.

pistolclass · 08-03-2017, 10:01 PM

So I'm not sure If I just got a good one, but I took my time on the assembly and made the usual mods, new carb/jets new gel battery, cluster, spark plug and my bike has been trouble free. Locktight everything or you will lose things.... I forgot a few and they rattled out.

My bike has always started. When you get the cluster it is a perfect time to cinch up all the wires. ziptie everything and look for looseys. I'm by no means DAN Certified but when the tank and the seat are off clean up the wiring.

Megadan · 08-03-2017, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolclass

I'm by no means DAN Certified but when the tank and the seat are off clean up the wiring.

That literally had me choke on my drink from laughing.
Cleaning up the wiring = DAN certified. I didn't do anything special lol.

My Hawk has been trouble free as well, but I also did pretty much the same thing you did. When I say "Mechanic Bike" I am covering the idea that it needs that sort of attention upon delivery, much like buying a used bike, with a thorough going over and adjustments/corrections made. A new big name bike is generally hop on and ride by comparison.

pistolclass · 08-03-2017, 10:30 PM

Yup the newest, greatest models from honda/KTM etc are impressive in performance and reliability and price.

I do remember in the mid 80's I had 2 stroke hondas and 1 kawi. Every year I put new rings and reeds in them. The Kawi I did twice in one year because I took it out in the snow and beat the tar out of it one winter.

It is where I first learned mechanics. Constantly adjusting chains, spokes cables and that sort. There was no internet to jump on and have someone on youtube walk you through it, you had to figure it out.

I kinda look at all motorcycles like that, which is why the hawk seems reliable to me. It was no more work then a CR or KX in the 80's.

The best of class bikes that start at $6k are engineering marvels. Even when I do buy one (I'm thinking Africa Twin) I will still keep the hawk. It is just too much fun for sub $1500.

Megadan · 08-03-2017, 10:42 PM

My Hawk is the newest bike I have ever owned, and my first truly "new" vehicle. I generally don't prefer modern stuff due to the complication of their systems etc. All of my bikes through the years have been older, used, and some very much unloved. This is where I got into the habit of taking apart every bike I get, and I just applied that same philosophy to my Hawk. Change all the fluids, inspect and replace belts, chains, seals, bolts, wiring etc that are worn or showing signs of age and may fail soon. Any failed or worn parts I always look for a path to upgrade if possible - my Goldwings charging system as an example.

My friends often ask how I can buy these old vehicles and daily drive them and have such good luck with reliability. They think I am some sort of vehicle buying god, or super lucky, that I always find the "good" old ones. My answer is usually "attention to detail and a lot of work."

I think the reason I word it the way I do is kind of a reality check for many younger or new people that come into the motorcycle world in general who may not be mechanically inclined. Either to ward them away from a potentially bad experience due to improper assembly and maintenance, or prepare them for the reality if they do decide to go down that path. Even more so with these bikes. The reward is worth the effort, but there has to be effort made.

07-28-2017, 09:28 PM	#1
ta400 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: ohio Posts: 5	newbie , w/ questions about enduros? Hello, I am new here. Looking forward to all the help I can get , with questions I have?.. First off. I definitely going for a new Enduro Motorcycle! But, I can't decide between these Models? HAWK 250 , Bashan's Enduro motorcycles. (Storm / Brozz / Enforcer) models? I need them already assembled with delivery all for under $2000? I can do some basic mechanic work. But , I am confused about these models, they all look like the same , just different plastics. I am looking for the one that needs the least upgrades to it for it to be road worthy. And registering it in Ohio. Any help will be appreciated ?
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07-29-2017, 05:56 AM	#2
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,991	They all look about the same because they are all pretty much about the same. Small differences here and there, but more or less all based on the same design. If you are looking for a new bike, assembled, for less than 2000 delivered that will be the least troublesome out of the box, then it generally seems the Bashan bikes are more up your alley. Many Bashan owners are generally happy with their bikes as is right out of the box. The Hawk is a great bike, but it is definitely more of a mechanics bike out of the box. It is also the hardest of the bkes to register in a few states. I would recommend doing a bit of research on which bikes have been successfully registered in Ohio to help prevent possible headaches. Regardless of who assembled the bike, I would personally recommend still going over every part of the bike yourself to ensure it was all done correctly. Being pre-assembled doesn't mean it was done well. If you are willing to spend a bit more than 2k, then the TT250 is probably the best of them all. To have one delivered (they come assembled) will probably run around $2500 though for a 2017 model. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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07-29-2017, 08:36 AM	#3
humanbeing Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,436	http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=18534 is worth to read --- Looks similar This shape is known as 巴西款 in Chinese. The Chinese term gave u the hints that Brazilian "Bros" is their great ancestor... Anyway Latin America is their main target market... __________________
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07-31-2017, 03:06 PM	#5
BlackBike Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: George West, Texas Posts: 4,097	megadan makes good points before you buy, need to go ahead and decide now if you want a china bike with its low price and responsibilities, if not. start saving more $$$ https://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/...ro-R-121285404 ps, the parts are a bit pricy too. __________________ ***************************************** 2015 Bashan"Blaze" BS250GY-31 (DB-07K-250) GONE 2017 Suzuki V Strom 650 XT "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~Benjamin Franklin~
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08-03-2017, 10:42 PM	#10
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,991	My Hawk is the newest bike I have ever owned, and my first truly "new" vehicle. I generally don't prefer modern stuff due to the complication of their systems etc. All of my bikes through the years have been older, used, and some very much unloved. This is where I got into the habit of taking apart every bike I get, and I just applied that same philosophy to my Hawk. Change all the fluids, inspect and replace belts, chains, seals, bolts, wiring etc that are worn or showing signs of age and may fail soon. Any failed or worn parts I always look for a path to upgrade if possible - my Goldwings charging system as an example. My friends often ask how I can buy these old vehicles and daily drive them and have such good luck with reliability. They think I am some sort of vehicle buying god, or super lucky, that I always find the "good" old ones. My answer is usually "attention to detail and a lot of work." I think the reason I word it the way I do is kind of a reality check for many younger or new people that come into the motorcycle world in general who may not be mechanically inclined. Either to ward them away from a potentially bad experience due to improper assembly and maintenance, or prepare them for the reality if they do decide to go down that path. Even more so with these bikes. The reward is worth the effort, but there has to be effort made. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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07-31-2017, 12:47 PM	#4
emptypockets Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 44	I bought a new Hawk two months ago. Definitely agree with the comment it's a mechanics project bike. Everything needs adjustments out of the box. Everything. I've spent more time working on it than riding it. I got my OHV registration in the mail last week and took it out to Rampart Range for a ride. The US Forrest Ranger told me that the spark arrestor wasn't certified. He wasn't going to make a big deal out if it, but told me some other ranger might in the future. Then about 3 miles in the electrical system started shorting out. Then it started raining. Sure was fun pushing it in the rain. I'm going to take the gas tank off tonight and see what's gone wrong with the wiring harness. Got about 30 miles on it so far.
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08-03-2017, 07:44 PM	#6
joeboyk Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Akron OH area Posts: 103	not sure where you are located but ohio was painless in the registration process.Im in Summit county.can think of 3 hawk guys who have contacted me with concerns on the registration all of them had success in different counties.
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08-03-2017, 10:01 PM	#7
pistolclass Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: connecticut Posts: 978	So I'm not sure If I just got a good one, but I took my time on the assembly and made the usual mods, new carb/jets new gel battery, cluster, spark plug and my bike has been trouble free. Locktight everything or you will lose things.... I forgot a few and they rattled out. My bike has always started. When you get the cluster it is a perfect time to cinch up all the wires. ziptie everything and look for looseys. I'm by no means DAN Certified but when the tank and the seat are off clean up the wiring.
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08-03-2017, 10:30 PM	#9
pistolclass Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: connecticut Posts: 978	Yup the newest, greatest models from honda/KTM etc are impressive in performance and reliability and price. I do remember in the mid 80's I had 2 stroke hondas and 1 kawi. Every year I put new rings and reeds in them. The Kawi I did twice in one year because I took it out in the snow and beat the tar out of it one winter. It is where I first learned mechanics. Constantly adjusting chains, spokes cables and that sort. There was no internet to jump on and have someone on youtube walk you through it, you had to figure it out. I kinda look at all motorcycles like that, which is why the hawk seems reliable to me. It was no more work then a CR or KX in the 80's. The best of class bikes that start at $6k are engineering marvels. Even when I do buy one (I'm thinking Africa Twin) I will still keep the hawk. It is just too much fun for sub $1500.
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